Empower Network – A Scam for the Ages

Empower Network Scam

Name:  Empower Network
Website:  
www.empowernetwork.com
Price:
$25/mth basic, $100/mth inner circle, $19 payment, $500 Costa Rica Intensive, $1,000 15K Formula, $3,500 Master’s Retreat
Owners:
David Wood & David Sharpe
Overall Rank:
30 out of 100 points

The Product


Empower Network (EN) has been often times confused as being a REAL opportunity because of the relentless marketing taking place by the people pushing the product.  However, there are many folks with real experience with Empower Network that are not happy and I am going to uncover some of the reasons why within.  In this review I am going to be walking you through what EN is and help you decide whether or not it might be your path to Internet success.

Before I get started though I just want to clarify one thing.  Empower Network is one of the lowest ranked products that I have ever reviewed and you are going to get a good idea why.   If you are reading this, chances are you have been subject to someone “shamelessly” promoting EN to you and that is a normalcy.  They are slimy, they promote slimy promotions, and if you become a member you are going to unfortunately be required to pass on the “slimy” tradition.

To put things into perspective, take a look at how Empower Network compares (or doesn’t) to the .

Compare Wealthy Affiliate to Empower Network

Pros vs. Cons 


There are few pros and a lot of cons with Empower Network.  The problem is that there is no real product behind the program, rather YOU are the product.  The goal of the program is getting you to promote the very same scheme to other people and building a downline.  Unlike other MLM products where there is actually a product that you are selling to customers (ex. Avon, Melaluca, etc), Empower completely lacks this element.

Here is a breakdown of the Pros & Cons of the Empower Network program:

Pros:

  • Get your own empowernetwork.com blog

Cons:

  • Has all of the common attributes of a PYRAMID Scheme
  • No clear description of what the business is about, what you will be doing or what kind of interests you need for success.
  • If you join, you have to become a ruthless sales person promoting Empower Network to others
  • Riddled with “upsells”
  • If you want to succeed, you have to invest minimum $140/mth
  • You have to PAY $20 per month just so you can get paid
  • Widespread COMPLAINTS online about Empower Network
  • No access to the owners
  • No free trial

Who is Empower Network Intended for?


They claim everyone is going to earn money, with little money, with little work, on autopilot!  Sounds like the DREAM we are all envisioning doesn’t it.  However, that is not the reality of this program.  Although anyone can join this product, it is intended for people that are willing to work very hard to build a downline and in many cases, do so in an unethical way because you are not actually “selling” anything to people, you are selling the fact that they will be able to sell what you are selling.

Here is a breakdown of how the compensation model works:

Empower Network Payment Scheme

Confused? Well, that is because the more you dig into this apparent product, the more confusing it becomes as to what it actually is.   It is reminiscent of “pen mail” where you send 5 people, they send another 5 people…and then so on and so forth.   The person at the top of the pyramid (or triangle) gets paid the most, just like any other ponzi scheme the Empower has unlimited levels and payouts are always going to be “passed up” to the people at the top.

Guess who is not at the top.  YOU.  Guess who is at the top?  The owners and the first few folks that got in at the starting point.

Explaining the Pyramid Scheme

If you are not good at aggressive recruitment and hard selling people on the idea of a scheme like the one above, Empower Network is not going to be for you.

Tired of Ruthless Schemes Like Empower? Get REAL Help.

 

Empower Network Tools & Training


There are several different layers to the training offered at Empower, each have an additional price point.  The training provided is really dependent on “whom” you sign-up through in this scheme.   Some “upline” affiliates will offer you wonderful support and help (in attempt to build more success by having a successful downline).  The actual materials within Empower are very weak in nature and they are centered entirely around “how to promote empower network to others”.

There is also A LOT of emphasis on upgrading once you get into the system.  This is called going “All In” and your sponsors will likely encourage you to go all in by calling you a “wussy” and other derogatory terms.  Why?  Because if you don’t buy all the training modules within Empower, then you are not going to be making others money.

That is what it is all about.  You buy all the stuff (over $5,000 in total, which I will get to) and this money is going directly to your uplines and their uplines.  If you don’t buy, then nobody is going to make money off of you and you can expect to be shunned by those “above” you.

If you are looking to earn money online and do it in a way that is ethical and can be applied to any niche, Empower will not be the community for you.  Their primary focus is going to be training you how to promote Empower to other people.

 

Does Empower Network Offer ANY Support?


If you want a personal support system, EN is not going to be your program.  There is no training or support offered without an extra cost (Inner Circle which is $100 per month for videos), and even at that, it is not personal training it a series of audios and videos.  I never recommend any program that does not offer personal support and in which you do not have direct access to the owners.  You will never have contact with the owners directly.  The owners are active in the promotion of their product and motivating the “crowd” to promote EN, but you will not see them selflessly helping folks out.

Also, many folks complain that they are belittled within Empower Network by their so called “team leaders” if they don’t go all in.  Going all in means that you buy all of their low grade products (which make your team leaders money) and if you don’t buy into the up to $5,000+ in products over the course of a year, be prepared to be called some really vulgar names (Read REAL customer comments below this review if you don’t believe me).

**In comparison, my #1 recommended  product provides FULL 1-on-1 mentoring and support and the owners are actively involved.

There are weekly calls from the David’s which is more of a “rah rah” session than anything else, aiming to recruit more people into their scheme.

 

How Much Does it Cost to Join Empower Network?


The pricing of Empower is complex and much more than it initially appears.

Blog Beast – Blogging System ($25 per month) / ENV2 - The fee just to take part of empower and to get your own blog (that every other member gets).  There is nothing unique about this blog and you are tied to the EmpowerNetwork.com domain which is starting to get caught as SPAM by many search engines (not good!).  And you can get much better blogs, in fact, your own FREE WordPress blogs where you are not tied into promote EN (you can promote your own niche).

You also do not own the content you create on your blog.  I have received many complaints from folks that have quit Empower and have not been able to delete their websites because when you join, you sign a disclaimer stating that you don’t own any of the content you create.  In essence, you basically get nothing for this $25 per month fee other than fact that you are creating content for someone else on a blog that looks the same as everyone else.

Important Update: These “paid” blogs have recently lost a lot of their “mojo” within the search engines (late May, 2013).  In fact, EN no longer holds the #1 ranking under their own keywords (you can check for yourself if you like).  This is because Google has deemed a good portion of the website as SPAM within their latest Penguin update.    You can get much superior blogs for free elsewhere, so if you are buying into this program just for the blog, then I would suggest you save your money.

Also, if want to get the full scoop on Empower Network 2.0 (ENV2), you can get that here.

See a full comparison of Empower Networks PAID blogs vs. free websites here.

e-wallet ($19.99 per month) - In order to get paid, you need to pay for their payment processor.  This is unheard of and the only reason that Empower Network has to do this is because they are working on the fringes of what is legal.  There is absolutely no way a company like this would ever get approved by a reputable credit card processing company. Paypal or a normal Merchant account (Mastercard, Visa, Amex) would never allow payments to a company like Empower because they deem it as ILLEGAL or too high risk!

Inner Circle ($100 per month ) - This is hardly an inner circle.  Other than giving you access to a some inner circle audios, becoming part of this program allows you to get paid even higher commissions ($100 residuals).  So again, you are not paying for an actual product, you are paying to further promote the product that doesn’t really exist.   It is like having a bag of air that you are selling for $25 and then paying $100 more to be able to sell you bag of air for more.   But the EN pricing structure gets even more ridiculous than this!

Costa Rica Intensive ($500 one time payment) - This is a video sequence that focuses on building a business for the longer term…a business that again revolves around promoting Empower Network to others.  I think you are probably getting the hint by now that the EN product is promoting the same product to others

The $15K Formula ($1,000 one time payment) - This is another video series that includes 9 videos in total, each video being a couple of hours in length.  This covers a variety of topics outlining how to promote Empower network online.  An example of this is using Youtube or Facebook…HOWEVER, Empower Network can no longer be promoted via these channels. This should throw up the red flags for you, the fact that Empower has been completely banned from Facebook and Youtube!!!  This is the first product or service I have ever heard of that has been banned.

The Masters Retreat ($3,500 one time payment) - This is a series of 41 videos (mostly motivation) that were recorded at the Empower Network masters retreat.  To me, spending $3,500 on motivational videos seems absolutely outrageous considering that most of this information has little to do with creating your own business and more to do with motivation (plus you could get a 10 YEAR membership at the top online business platform for the same price!).   This is a high ticket product and the only reason you will see others attempting to get you to buy this product within the EN system is because they earn commissions off of you when they do.

So in totality, you are looking at $5,00+ $140 per month if you want the full suite of products offered within Empower Network.  That is a far cry from the $25 price point that everyone seems to be promoting out there.  Be forewarned, Empower Network is expensive, is overpriced, and you are looking at $1,000’s if you want all of their included training (going all in).

My Final Word on Empower Network (EN)


There is NO product.  There surely are different things you can purchase within Empower after you buy into the initial blog, but that is there to drive the compensation model.  You are shamed into buying it because your “sponsors” will not give you any additional help if you are not active within Empower and if you ever say anything negative about this network, be prepared to be jumped on.

The product is based around YOU promoting the Empower Network system to other folks (ahem…can you say pyramid scheme?).  Need I say more?  There are VERY few folks that are part of this program that have their own website, understand the proper way of creating a business online, or that are promoting different products other than EN itself.

You will see a lot of people “excitedly” promoting Empower Network to you and that is ONLY because they are going to earn money if you sign-up through them, not because they believe in the product itself (although they think they do).  There is a definite reason one of these owners is located in Costa Rica & a component of their business is run out of there.  This is not because of the lifestyle that this business has created for them, it is because of the fact they are running a borderline illegal ponzi scheme that merchant accounts like Paypal or major credit card companies will not touch.  Costa Rica is also a tax haven free of any taxes, so it is a good place to avoid any taxation in the US.

I would stay as far away as you can from Empower Network and don’t look back.   It may be convincing and people may be “begging” you to join underneath them, but it is not a real opportunity and there is no REAL product that you are getting. The system is centered around you selling it to others and around you going be forcefully pushed towards going  “all in”…which means spending well over $5,000 and going into debt in many cases.  Not exactly a $25 product after all.

Again, MY Overview…


Name:  Empower Network
Website:  
www.empowernetwork.com
Price: 
$25/mth basic, $100/mth inner circle, $19.99/mth e-wallet, $500 Costa Rica Intensive, $1,000 $15K formula
Owners: 
David Wood & David Sharpe
Overall Rank:
30 out of 100 points (YES, 30…read the comments below to see real user feedback)

Just a Few (of the many) Empower Network Complaints Found Online…

Empower Network Complaint #1: Empower Network – A Not So Favorable Review
Empower Network Warning #2: Empower Network Review…Scratch That…WARNING!
Empower Network Bullying Complaint #3: Empower Network Bullies!

VERDICT: SCAM!!!, No product, pyramid-style scheme, VERY expensive, no support, STAY AWAY FROM THIS PROGRAM!

Empower Network is a Scam

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Do you have a personal review or complaint that you would like to share about Empower Network?  If you do, I would appreciate it if you could leave your comments below!  Thanks!

Kyle
Owner, WaysToAvoidScamsOnline.com

 

717 Responses to The Empower Network Ripoff – Don’t Buy Into the Hype

  1. muadafei says:

    is ipas2 a scam as well?, It works together with empower

    • Kyle says:

      Yes, ipas2 has many negative reviews out there as well and it is closely tied to Empower Network. You have to question anyone that is actively promoting or involved in these sort of schemes and what their true intentions are. It is usually to earn money at any ethical cost.

      • Jon says:

        I don’t believe that EN is a scam at all because it hasn’t been shut down by the authorities.

        Some people get involved with opportunities because they want to get rich quick and dont realise that they need to treat their home business like a real business.

        If people were to apply traditional marketing techniques as taught by experts such as Gary Halbert and Dan Kennedy to their EN business they probably wouldn’t struggle as much as they do.

        • Kyle says:

          Just because a program has not been shut down by authorities does not mean it is not a scam or unethical. Getting someone to join a program for the sole purpose of you earning money and them being required to do the same to others is by no means an ethical business. There are many programs like this popping up and many of them are being shut down by the FTC and the SEC, some major ones in the last couple of years (banners broker & zeek rewards to name a few).

          If you don’t think it can happen Jon, you might want to have a read of this.

  2. Jeff Robb says:

    Why would the Wealthy Affiliate program have an affiliate option, if it is free, there is no money to be made on an affiliate….Did I miss something?

    • Kyle says:

      Wealthy Affiliate offers a service and people can promote that service through the affiliate program…it is the same as ALL other affiliate programs in the world, they are FREE to be a part of. If you are paying to be part of an affiliate program, you are involved in a scheme not an ethical opportunity.

      • Dee says:

        Thanks Kyle, I was doing some research before I moved forward with EN and came across your page. After questioning my coach he had no answers to defend the BBB statements or the product statements. I did not move forward. Thanks again, I could have been out of a lot of money. :-)

        • Kyle says:

          Yeah, if something cannot be defended when asked very straight forward questions about the product (why does it cost so much, am I going to be forced into buy upsells once inside, if you are so great why don’t you offer a free trial, etc), then it says a lot about the product.

          In an industry like this one that has a lot of people getting scammed on a daily basis, I always recommend you do your due diligence before joining anything Dee. I think you made the right move and you only have to read a few comments deep here to realize what sort of activity is really taking place within Empower Network.

  3. Murray says:

    Thank you so much for this blog! I am presently checking out the iPAS2 web site, which is supposedly a traffic producing program for you business, and if you want to get their “profit maximizers”, guess who you have to join with? Yep, good ‘ol Empower Network! After going through the iPAS2 training videos, I have to say they have the stupidest compensation plan I have ever seen! I am with Optimera, and they are nothing like this scam company! Thanks again for the “heads up”!

    • Kyle says:

      This is common with many programs out there. The compensation plan benefits very few and the only people earning money are those at the top of the food chain. And when you join Empower, you are not in essence creating a real business. You rely (like all of these similar programs) on hustling and getting new and unsuspecting folks into the program and spending money on over-priced products. Then the cycle continues.

  4. Cheryl says:

    Wow, wish I would have read this before I gave them my $25.00 for that blogging platform that was basically crap. I canceled last night and after reading this I am certainly glad I did. Didn’t make much sense to me anyway when I discovered that all my sponsor did was offer me this product for $50.00 and this product @ $25.00 and so on, none of which had anything to do with EN. Felt like he was just trying to get my money…,and he was. Again…, wow. How do they sleep at night?

    • Kyle says:

      Very typical stuff here Cheryl. You give your first $25 for the “amazing” (errr…) blogging platform that is supposed to be your entrance to success online, but then you realize once you are inside Empower Network that this was just to see if you were a serious buyer and on comes the enslaught of promotions/upsells and pressure selling from your sponsor.

      Unless you are willing to drop $5,000+ by going all-in, you are more than likely to get shunned by your sponsor. You only have to read a few of the stories here shared by past EN members to find out what really is going on over there within the greater “scheme” of things.

      • Murray says:

        I totally agree with the buy in costs…that totally turned me off right there!

        • Kyle says:

          It isn’t in plain English when you join the program, they convince you it is only going to take $25 per month to start, but in reality if you want to get any help with the program and have what you need to actually get any level of help, you are required to go ALL IN. This means spending $5,000+ with ongoing monthly charges of $140 per month…just so you can make someone above you more money.

  5. Cara Cordoni says:

    Wow, I am actually on the phone with my Empower Network “Life Coach” right now and reading your article and comments. Glad I have time to get back my $45 bucks. Sorry I wasted the 2 hours of my time listening to this temptation. Oh well.
    Thank you. Your writing has made a difference in my life.

    • Kyle says:

      Glad I was able to help you out here Cara. The life coach will only be there to “help” if you are a solid prospect or you are paying them (which in essence you would be doing if you joined this scheme). Your next task would have been doing the exact same thing to others.

  6. vesko says:

    Thanks a lot for this review! I was just considering to join this group. I am just trying it on-line now for 10 years and still doesn`t work for me. I`ve been quitting several times with on-line stuff but I keep investing money in systems like Empower Network from which I never make a dime. This time you saved my butt!!!

  7. Phillip Myers says:

    Total SCAM! You feel so pressured to continue to buy the ever increasing prices for everything. Like Kyle said in a previous reply, a glorified blog service with huge price tags. No wonder the owners are rich, or is that just ‘smoke and mirrors’?

  8. Dave says:

    Just remember many people have to lose money for others to make money in this beautiful program to entice dummies. Yes if you are making money from the EN you are considered stealing from others. I’m still looking for a product and not video tapes from a couple of jack asses whooping it up.

  9. John says:

    To search “Empower Network” and have your post ranked on page 1 is already an accomplishment in itself. I really don’t understand how there are so many people arguing with you when they don’t make 1/4 of what you are making. Kyle, you are great at what you do and I would listen to you over anyone making comments here, IJS.

  10. Carlos says:

    Wish I would’ve had the time to read all comments, but read enough about EN to never want to join. There was a girl that was advertising it on Facebook. I clicked on it and made a couple of inquisitive comments. She got upset and very defensive. I think I know why now.

    • Kyle says:

      That tends to happen. Anyone that questions the “system” gets an ear full.

      The reason is the system is all about you promote the exact same thing (sucking others into the scheme) and has nothing to do with actually helping people or offering value. This becomes very obvious when you are pushed, often times in a very forceful way, to go “all in” which means you parting with $5,000+ just so you can make others money…not to mention “get to the events” which is going to cost you another $3-5K per year.

  11. Jason Lee says:

    I wouldn’t say EN is a scam, but it definitely is deceptive in the way they market it. Like you said, the inner circle programs and upsells are very expensive and absolutely not necessary in this industry. Additionally, it’s not ethical to promote a $25/mo program only to upsell people for thousands on the back end after they commit. The network marketing profession deserves better from us if you’re involved in it.

    The main problem with their turnkey blogs is that they don’t hold rankings and any attempts at SEO used on them are short lived. I honestly hope more people catch on to this article and read through the comments.

    • Kyle says:

      I would call anything that is deceptive and “forces” upsells upon people (ie. folks don’t get help from their sponsors if they don’t go “all in” and spend $5,000) something that is not trustworthy. People get into Empower Network not realizing that after they do, they are going to be hit with a substantial number of offers that they are pretty much obligated to take part in if they want to move forward with the program.

      Why? Because you can promote the more expensive, overpriced programs to others without spending the money on them first…that in my opinion is unethical. Unfortunately more and more programs are popping up like this and some of the big MLM’s are being classified as pyramids as well (Nuskin, Herbalife, etc) thus giving the entire industry even a worse name than it already has.

  12. Tony Tong says:

    Hi Kyle great review on Empower Network!

    I am a WA member now and I can say it is a light years ahead of what EN offers and it actually teaches you how to create a real business. You are not part of some sketchy ponzi that is likely to be taken out by the FTC.

    Hope we can help each other down the road:)

    Best,
    Tony

  13. Lolly says:

    This is so epically right on. TanaÇae´Danick is the epitome of “All In” and the attempt to “bully” you into the program. She even dropped me from her facebook just because I already had something bigger committed at the time of their $3000 program in Orlando.

    Here YouTube channel is pretty funny too. Nothing but a regurgitation of other people’s success stories. She even tells a story about Michael Jordan where she generalizes quite a bit and then manufactures… or to use her own Video Vernacular, “makes shit up”.

    If you’re going to tell a success story about Michael Jordan, at least watch a video or two or read a book so you know WTF you’re talking about. Not just a weak attempt at regurgitating a bad Tony Robbins story. (Tony never met Michael but acts like they are best friends.)

    She then dishes on ‘haters’. Well, if you would at least be authentic, people wouldn’t judge you so harshly TanaCae!

    • Kyle says:

      These are typically promotional tactics that many have expressed their discontent about here Lolly. Bullying is part of the promotional strategy which is taught and the reason you get bullied if you don’t BUY “all in” is because you are not making your sponsor money.

  14. Sean Menge says:

    Thanks for the incredible attention to detail. I was introduced to this business in late March by a security guard at the Prudential Plaza, Chicago (He is still a security guard). He is such a nice guy I had to look in to it, but everything I turned up increased a feeling of nausea. The main targets of my friend (bless his heart) are low-income people trying to get off on the right foot. I tried to approach discussions with him and his “Team Leaders” on facebook, only to end up stonewalled by pretentious rhetoric. Here’s one example of a comment I dealt with:

    “lol every company has people being sued and Legit multi-level marketing companies have often in the past been accused…but those that actually do it, get shut down, those still alive making BILLIONS, arent say what you want, Amways still around”

    Needless to say, every thread was a migraine. The thought of all the people who lost their money just so a select few make a quick buck reflects everything that is ugly about the business world. I reported Empower Network to the BBB, and I hope many do the same.

    • Kyle says:

      Yeah, have heard it all. Getting sued is normal, overcharging people is normal, and 99% of the people not making their money back is normal…right? Many folks succumb to the brainwashing but at the end of the day, it is folks like yourself Sean that understand the reality of what is going on. It is people taking money from other people, directly.

      The exchange of “products” is a facade for the actual scheme that is taking place. You have to buy an overpriced info product and go all-in for $1,000’s so that you can convince and brainwash someone below you do to do the same things.

  15. Alex says:

    Thank you for the great review Kyle. I was actually looking at the Empower Network before stumbling on to WA. I was that close to joining the Empower Network but find that WA is much more appealing and user friendly. I have wasted a lot of time and money getting scammed by gurus telling you how you can make an online income just to get left in the dust without any support. I am glad to see that you reply to your posts timely and it shows your dedication. Looking forward to working with you.

  16. Neil says:

    Hi Kyle and thanks for this great review.

    I can confirm that Empower Network is a complete and utter SCAM! There is evidence to back this claim up because I too was sucked in to this shiny new object not long after it was launched.

    However, I did blog away, applied some SEO and my EN blog posts quickly got Google page one rankings which was great. the blog did generate some traffic but ZERO income.

    Within 8 months of being a member of EN I had spent over $1,300+, had 3 dead EN leads and NO sales from anything I was promoting.

    To add insult to injury, all my EN blog posts were slipping quickly down the search engine rankings!

    It is safe to say that EN is a SCAM, it DOESN’T work and the only people making money from it are the so called gurus who have no value to offer in return.

    The founders of EN should refund every single penny they have taken from people and the site should be closed down completely.

    Neil

    • Kyle says:

      Thanks for your feedback Neil and you share the same thoughts that many do about this program. Unfortunately the blogs no longer rank remotely well, for a while they were touting their Alexa rank as if it has something to do with SEO (which is a complete lie).

      I have heard recently some of there top GURUS that you have mentioned have had to drop out of the program as the promotion of pyramids like EN are considered illegal in certain states (actually all, just a few are starting to catch wind of this).

  17. birute says:

    Been with EN for a month and very dissapointed (spent 45 dollars). I didnt make a dime, I just lost my money. Now when I log in to my EN blog, I’m not able to see my back office, the site asking me to become an affiliate. My visa card is empty so they cannot charge me. But if my card would bee with funds they would charge me anyway??
    I’m afraid to put money in my bank acc. Is there any possibility to return my 45 dollars back? thank for a brief review!

    • Kyle says:

      I know many people have tough time getting their money back after they toss it into the EN vacuum, you will have to contact their support team or you credit card company if you want to deal with that.

      Sorry to hear that you got taken for another scheme Birute, but please don’t think the entire industry behaves in this way. There are legitimate ways to create a business online and if you ever need a hand, I will be more than happy to help you out. Also, check out my Getting Started Guide here if you want to get up and running with a REAL online business.

      • Waiana says:

        I paid them $45 and then realised I wasn’t getting anything and needed to fork out lots more money to get any learning!

        I then realised (after hunting around) that the only way I would make money was to recruit people and sell all these ‘packages’ to them

        So I tried to cancel my subscriptions and that was really difficult despite following their instructions – still don’t know if they’ve been cancelled because it appears they are still active

        Tried to request a refund as per their instructions and refund policy and the website wouldn’t let me submit the form

        It is one big scam and I’m after them for my $45 back!

        • Kyle says:

          That is the model, in order for you to make money within the program there is the requirement that you promote the same products and services (you have had to invest in) to others. Then the cycle continues, in order for your downline to make money, they have to do the same. The products are vastly overpriced and are that way for a reasons. So that those at the top of the pyramid can make lofty profits on the loss of the bottom feeders below them.

          I wish you all the best with your refund, unfortunately you are not the first to complain about the ease for them to take your money, but the difficulty to ever get it back if you are not happy with their scheme.

          • Waiana says:

            I’ve seen that from all these comments. I live in NZ and every time I’ve tried to call I get an answerphone.

            I’ve made a complaint to FTC about their website that does not allow a cancellation or refund process as per the terms of their cancellation and refund policies. Would encourage anyone else who has had the same problem to do the same thing.

    • shantel says:

      Hey I had the same problem. Its just card thats connected to them not your bank account right? What you should do is just cancel your card and order a new one from your bank. They can’t charge a card that isn’t active anymore.

      • Kyle says:

        Worst case scenario, this is what you will have to do (and it seems what many have to do after buying into this scheme).

  18. Pierce says:

    Great Post Kyle, and plenty of interesting comments and replies.

    My friend and I joined Empower Network last year and we soon realised it was a rip off. All we had was the same old message,buy into all if you want to make money.The truth is very few have made any real significant money, and most end up losing a lot, like one of my mates friends who had bought into all only to find he and his wife were just paying out each month with no returns whatsoever.

    Many followers defend Empower, probably because they are too embarassed to admit they are flogging a dead horse. What’s more when your blogs are on their site they are no longer yours. We copied and then deleted our blogs. One of the teams was also ripping off it’s own members by way of getting you to send all your blogs through a certain link and claiming the new sign up email address’s for themselves until the guy was exposed by a husband and wife who left the team in disgust.

    We are glad we got out of Empower when we did. Now we have our own sites and our blogs are our own.

    Don’t be a wussie, sign up and find out for yourself.

    • Kyle says:

      I hope there are no wussies reading this, I will think you may have scared most of them off. Thanks for your insights into your experience within EN Pierce, I know this will be helpful to others looking for REAL feedback on what to expect within EN.

  19. Paul Livett says:

    Loved your post, have written two posts myself trying to enlighten people of the perils of empower network and as you mentioned, the loss of “authority” to all the individual blogs on the network.

    What leaves me bewildered is that most EN members will defend it to the hilt. They are either morally bankrupt or too embarrassed to admit that they have been sucked in.

    Names like Simon Stepsys have been mentioned and if people did their research before buying into these schemes alarm bells would have rung. You mentioned that EN is now barred from youtube but what I have found is that so called reviewers have now hijacked youtube to promote supposedly free paydaynetwork, which is actually just another portal for EN, just thought your readers might like to be aware of that.

    • Kyle says:

      It is very similar to anything you purchase, you become very defensive of it if someone tells you it was a bad choice. Fortunately many people do realize that as tehy get involved in this program and are told to “go all in” repeatedly as a theme, they start to realize it is more about them spending money to make someone else money than it is about them really creating a honest, ethical business.

      BUT, many people do go on to repeat this process because that is what they are told they need to do…so the cycle of shameless promotions in order to earn a buck continue.

      As you said, they are now masking the entrance points under many different names and many different levels of sponsors, so people need to be careful and do their due diligence (I always recommend asking for support before you buy anything online) and this way you can get a good idea of the people behind the program. Thanks for stopping by Paul and sharing your experiences.

  20. Jonathan says:

    Hey Kyle !
    I’m presently working on a EN rewiew and I was wondering why you say that EN is “completely banned from Facebook and Youtube”. I still can see their official page on FB and some videos of them on Youtube.

    Thanks!

    • Kyle says:

      Posting links to this site was banned within Facebook and also within Youtube a year or so back, but over time some listings have eventually crept back into the results.

  21. Swearbox says:

    Glad to be rid of EN. I consider myself to be a bit more tech savvy than the vast majority of other ENers I came across. Most of the folk in the various Facebook groups we had were complete newbies to just being online let alone online marketing. How they ever had a chance of making it pay is beyond me.

    To make it pay in EN you had to be a special kind of person, ie you had to become a complete zombie – a slave to their system – and I found I had to change my whole persona. I found myself not being ‘me’ any more as I tried to adapt to the way they work.

    The beginning of the end came when I got blocked from a ‘rising star”s Facebook page for having the audacity to point out that many many people, including myself, had never made a penny from EN.

    No upliners ever took responsibility for their downline’s failure to make money. The answer was always ‘blog every day, read books, listen to the Inner Circle stuff, buy in at a higher level’. The same tired old Power Hour crap was rolled out day in day out. I remember attending one of the morning calls, can’t remember what they called them but they were supposed to be all motivational and fire up the troops. The guy leading the call asked everyone to scream at the top of their lungs down their phones to express just how fired up they were…and people actually did it. I was thinking to myself as I quietly ended the call what my neighbours would have thought had I joined in this ridiculous cult like exercise.

    So there we go, I wrote all of this in one go without a proof read so it might seem a little here and there but the point is I’m lending weight to the side of the fence that says EN was a waste of time and money and effort as I didn’t see a single penny in commission in the 6 months or so I paid my dues (up to Inner Circle). Oh, and one final thing, any company that rolls out Vick Strizheus as one of their big guns has to be avoided at all costs…if you don’t know what I mean then Google the name. Thanks for reading

  22. Lucie says:

    First of all, sorry for my english. I am living in Europe. But I needed to write my testimonial and I hope it will be helpful to other people in the same case.

    Thanks to you Kyle, I just discover why I couldn’t sell anything from EN and BIM. It tooks me 6 months to realize, after having spent the $ 5.000 and after a big work, that it was a scam.

    I am one of those who have registered because they are going through financial difficulties and need money. And I indeed bought all EN products (borrowing money) to get my family out of difficulties.

    But instead, I put us in even greater difficulties because my conscience prevented me : I couldn’t lie to others. Ethic is fundamental for me but 6 months ago, I only focused on my problem of money.

    And as there is no possibility of refund in EN, when I discovered that these products were poor, it was too late. So, I had no other choice than trying to find “customers”. But I wasn’t able to launch a campaign with their squeeze pages and the only one solo ad campaign I made costs me another $200 for nothing…

    Belonging to the BIM team, it is only recently that I discovered that Vick Strizheus was a cone man when I realized that his promises were lies, in the only purpose of making us spending money, again and again.

    Indeed, from the beginning of 2014, he made new big promises to “help” us but in fact, it was to sell us last weeks an expensive workshop in Vegas ($ 997) and an expensive call center ($ 97/month). And, to force us to buy, he announced that the “help” promised finally was reserved to those who buy the workshop in Vegas !

    Today I really feel like getting out of a sect in which the great slogan is “zero negativity” which forces a certain behavior and limits your expression, where the support is limited to only what you bring as money.

    It has been a week that I stopped both EN and BIM and I slowly rebuild myself. This is the first time that I am speaking freely as in EN & BIM, everyone refuses any claim and customers are treated with contempt. Communication about the products is completely non-existent, except for the first sale to their… members.

    And for me, the end point was when I couldn’t access to my back-office because EN obliged us signing their new policies where EN is responsible for NOTHING and has NO duty towards its customers, where everything is client’s risk !

    I hope my testimonial will help.
    Thank you Kyle.

  23. Maria says:

    I am a former EN member and I must say I had a mixed experience. I wanted to join just to get an idea about having a business online, make extra money to pay off my credit card and student loan debt, and to have extra money to fund my passions.

    After almost 2 years in I can safely say that I don’t regret it. I did learn a lot from my sponsor who is truly one of the good guys. He actually called his team and provided real training every week. I would say that he was one of the ones only making maybe $5 to $7K per month.

    As for some of the others they really could care less. These are the ones that sell you hard and don’t offer any help. These are the ones making $40k-60K per month. They say they will never answer the phone or help their team unless you have upgraded to the next product which I think is cruel.

    And you are right they are quick to call you a wussy. I am out now and accomplished what I set out to do. My credit card debt is gone. My student loan debt has been cut by 50%, I have money to fund my creative writing company.

    Having to upgrade sucks in order to make money. Having to travel every 90 days sucks. I give it another 2 years before it starts to tank.

    • Kyle says:

      Their logic is that you are a wussy if you are not willing to invest your next months rent payment, sell your vehicle, or spend your grocery money on your next “hit” within the program. But wussy is a compliment compared to being told “you don’t love your family” if you don’t go all in.

      These marketing tactics are truly putting folks into financial distress they should never be in and they are only investing this money so that their higher ups can go around bragging about their trips and their $1,000 pens they are buying.

      Glad you came to your senses Maria.

      • Maria says:

        Yes I did come to my senses. Once they “unleashed” the blog beast I knew my days were numbered. I could not see the value.

        I did everything to help my team make money but most weren’t making any. I never told them I wouldn’t help them if they didn’t upgrade it felt wrong.

        Other sponsors were telling me that I shouldn’t waste time on people who aren’t willing to invest in themselves.

        Thank goodness I had a good sponsor otherwise I would have quit a long time ago.

        It was easy for me to leave because I was not passionate about it anymore. I also knew my sponsor would receive my team and they would be in good hands.

        I give it two years because its already starting to crumble. When they launched the blog beast everyone’s income dropped and A LOT of people quit.

        They are still launching products(Blogging Academy, High Ticket, and some traffic generator)left and right and people are still not making money.

        It feels like they are doing that so they can get as much money out of it as possible.

        • Lucie says:

          Maria,

          When you say :

          When they launched the blog beast everyone’s income dropped and A LOT of people quit.

          They are still launching products(Blogging Academy, High Ticket, and some traffic generator)left and right and people are still not making money.

          It feels like they are doing that so they can get as much money out of it as possible.

          This is also what I feel.

  24. Stephen says:

    There sure is a lot of energy being placed into slamming a company that has create 70 million dollars in commission for it affiliates. No one that has succeeded with this company is on here complaining…. funny. I’ve been marketing online for the last year or so and their “NON_PRODUCTS” have helped me market other things as well. I see at least 3 people on this string change thier mind and not join because of reading this article….. you could be hurting thier future, not helping…. How do you know this company would be a good fit for them? Not sure is you write positive articles as well, but I’d highly suggest that, instead of this slander. Much love to ya and you have the right to write. You just sound mad, like you failed at the biz and now want to slam it.

    • Kyle says:

      Would love to see some of these “non products” you are promoting Stephen. And let me remind you, just because a company is earning money does not prove the legitimacy or the ethics of that given company. If you want to read a recent example of this, check out the ZeekRewards story (hint, they made way more than Empower Network does), which by the way, many of the current Empower Network members were part of. I guess when you are involved in one ponzi, the most natural step is to move to another one.

      And the only thing I am mad at is the fact that people are getting ripped off, you don’t have to look any further than the 100’s of comments below to realize this. Hopefully one day you come to your sense and find your moral ground, because if you are currently pushing others into this program you have lost your sense of ethics.

  25. Bob says:

    Just had a look back to June of last year to confirm.

    You don’t post any comments that rebut what you have to say. I replied twice on or about June 14, 2013 and neither post was ever published.

    Still have ‘em myself though.

    This probably won’t be posted either.

    • Kyle says:

      Of course I do Bob, but you all say the exact same things. So instead of posting the same senseless banter 10 times, I post it ones and respond to it. If you have anything new to add, I would encourage you Reply to this and I will be more than happy to get back to you.

      If you can morally and ethically justify what you are doing, then I will offer a calculated response though. Consider this first though. I am showing people how to get folks 2 free websites, free access to support from industry experts, access to 100’s of training modules, a one click website builder, fully functional SEO friend WordPress blogs (that rank) along with LIVE help…for FREE.

      If you cannot offer a rebuttal that can honestly say why you are trying to charge people $5,000 + carrying costs of $140+ per month for something, then I am not interested in having an educated conversation about this.

  26. Nick says:

    Hi Kyle,

    Thanks very much for your honest and informative review.

    I am no longer in Empower Network and really there are so many bad things about the company and opportunity, that I wouldn’t know where to start. I certainly regret promoting it.

    First of all, the products are absolutely terrible. In fact, they don’t deserve to be called training products at all. Most of the content is there simply to get you to upgrade, so it’s in their best interest for the training to be lacking. It’s laughable how the leaders speak of them being the best internet marketing products around when you could get far more value from a $17 JvZoo product.

    Next, there is the Blogging platform that will only do harm to your online presence. It’s recently been updated but it’s still absolute terrible. In fact, people are complaining about it lots at the moment. There are glitches and lack of support that even the most die hard empower members are complaining about. Also, the whole thing about blogging from your mobile phone is such a cheap gimmick. Their tech people doesen’t know a single thing about SEO. In fact, their lead tech guy was preaching about using the “meta keywords” tag even though it hasn’t been useful for SEO for about a decade!

    Those things are bad but what about the horrible cult-like atmosphere within the company. If you are not “all in”, expect to be intimidated with schoolyard insults like “wussie”. Oh, and whilst your watching or listening every day to the training, as they tell you to, you are being hypnotised to go “all in” with Empower and promote it till you die.

    This company is an example of an overhyped program that is being sustained by an endless loop of hype and preying on the desperate.

    The people who chime in here with support for Empower will eventually fall out of their love spell with it. Or, they will have their breakthrough and will have to sleep well at night knowing that they are making a lot of money promoting “pseudo products” that create more casualties than significant earners.

    Just avoid it! There are some fantastic programs you can promote that have incredible value within the products, and don’t need to resort to pressure and intimidation to upgrade.

    • Kyle says:

      Thanks for sharing your experience Nick. You like many, came to their senses when you realized exactly what was entailed to become successful. The long and the short of it is the fact that in order to earn money, you literally have to take it out of the hands of someone else. This is through the invisible product structure and the requirement that you have to own the expensive products to earn money from selling those same products to others.

      Going “all in” to most folks is more than just some purchase, it is all the money they have, or in many cases, putting them into debt. I have had many post stories of family members choosing going “all in” over buying their kids food. This is the ultimate form of unethical marketing, in particular when one of the coined marketing phrases is “You don’t love your family if you don’t go all in.”. This has an intrinsic effect on the way folks behave and is leading to some really awful situations.

      Just so a FEW (lesson than 0.7%) can boast about their mortgaged mansions or the fact they can buy $1,000 pens. Ridiculous stuff and the is the lowest form of business ride along side stealing (which in essence it is, it is a forced displacement of monies).

  27. Chris says:

    I just got out of it myself. I was invited to join from a man who’s company had help me market my real estate business, and a man I deeply trusted. To be honest, I think he was also hypnotized by the hype and I believe he has made money. When I tried on advertise on facebook and craigslist, or my ads were blocked, even when I set up a forwarding url address, even when I set up a separate landing page.

    If facebook and craigslist (and as posted earlier, youtube) has exerted so much effort to stop anyone from advertising about the Empower Network, then something must be wrong.

    Eventually, the Empower Network will crash because of all the blacklisting. Those who are making money now, don’t spend it all, because EN will crash.

    • Kyle says:

      I would agree with your sentiments here Chris, if Facebook, Craigslist, and Youtube (Google) have made a collective effort to block a company, then you could probably make a case that the company and their respective members are doing something wrong/unethical.

      I always tell folks that if a company has to sell their product on something other than the product itself (hype, a falsified rags to riches story, big oversized paychecks), it is one of my biggest indicators of a scam. Thanks for offering your insights and feedback Chris.

    • Joe says:

      I run an advertising network and I truly hate the empower network. This company is what gives real affiliates a bad name. They sully this industry with their pseudo-affiliate garbage and bash anyone who doesn’t immediately buy into the scam. There is NO product and it all amounts to an army of brain dead zombies trying to infect everyone around them. The problem is that people have become so obsessed with materialism that they will believe anything to keep their “hopes” up. They implants ideas of driving a Ferrari and owning an island. Money is out there to be made, but it doesn’t come easy people.

      • Kyle says:

        I think that your analogy is on par with what is going on. Based on the rhetoric from many of the brainwashed folks that have commented here (they all spout the same jargon), it is one brainwashed person, inviting another into the system, brainwashing them and then getting them to do the same thing. Unfortunately they are not getting a real education and the #1 point they are trying to sell each other is that it is all about “motivation”.

        I guess it is. Motivating each other to buy the “all in” products at any cost to their livelihoods and to suck others into the program. The vicious cycle then continues.

  28. Brownynn says:

    I like many people out there invested in the $25 level thinking that that is what I was going to need to build a business. I like many people was greased and buttered up until I ended up selling some of my heirlooms to invest into this program.

    Then it happened. I caught my sponsor red handed talking about their referrals with one of the main people in empower.

    They said “just get them all in, that’s where the money is…who cares how they have to do it, get them to do it.”

    To some $5,000 may not be a lot, but to many it is more than they can afford. I lost everything I owned. I sold my coin collection my grandfather gave me just to get that last $1,000 so I could get all in.

    Now what I am left with. A feeling that my sponsor is laughing at me, I am the fool. I invested in this program and they used me they used me for my money. Now they are happy with me, they move onto their next victim.

    I just want everyone to know that is considering joining this program that if you are not ready to spend money and buy all the products or attend every one of the hype events, you will be shunned. This is an awful company that played my heartstrings to get me to invest money i didn’t have.

    Also everyone I talked to at the last Miami conference was not making any money. They were all just pumped it was like a brainwashing event trying to make it ok and to ease the pain of spending all this money on what are at the end of the day totally bogus products.

    Please i beg you please do not join this program. I know they say you don’t care about your family if you don’t go all in but if you care about your family and your future you will not join. None of the normal people I talked to at the event had made their money back, not even close and the reason is that it required you to ruin other peoples lives to get your money.

    I have no idea what to do now but empower network left me with depression.

  29. Suzanne says:

    Another great article and great comeback to your critic Kyle. You are spot on. I narrowly avoided EN..I actually got to signup because I was able to do a trial on a credit card site which of course would have cost me even MORE money if I hadn’t cancelled. You have to want to do all these trial programs and it’s a real waste of time and money from what I saw. I didn’t think “scam” right away because the two folks I spoke to who were in it were all positive about it..but it didn’t feel right..I would like to share this article but use it as a tool to recruit. Is that cool or should I just endeavor to write my own and use that?

    • Kyle says:

      I always suggest that you follow your instinct. If it doesn’t feel right, chances are it probably isn’t. Feel free to reference this post if you want, completely up to you Suzanne. It is great to hear you have moved on and I wish you all the success in the future going forward.

  30. JW says:

    When watching the video Dave tells about how he took his father on vacation to Colorado and bought his mother a vehicle I became very suspicious. If this was so easy and such a great business then why weren’t his parents both making tons of money with the system? Glad I read the article and many of the responses.

    • Kyle says:

      Not everyone’s parents “get it” (this Internet thing), so I don’t think it is a fair to make assumptions that they would be rich somehow because their son or daughter would be successful at something. I know most professional athletes have very normal parents that are living middle class lives prior to their son/daughters windfall.

      What I do find disturbing is the fact that people are TOLD to sell their vehicles and sacrifice their vacations in order to go ALL IN to this program. People spend their last dollar…even in some cases, neglect their childrens needs in order to pay into this program. That is where the money is coming to fund the folks in the upper echelon of the scheme to buy their families cars and trips. The nature of a pyramid style program. Lots of people have to lose their shirts in order for someone to have 100’s of shirts.

  31. Robertus says:

    Now I see this is a scam, I know know there is no product and I will no buying into the scam. thanks for opening my eyes

  32. Carol says:

    Kyle,

    I just wanted to say thank you for this much needed insight into what EN really is all about and I hope it is read by everyone who is thinking of joining. I know I will share it far and wide. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences too, people need to know this information.

    I don’t have anything to share that hasn’t already been said, but I do advise people to go with your gut instincts.

    I am so glad I did.

    I was flooded with people trying to get me to join their team and asked if I really wanted success or not, that only serious entrepreneurs get what it takes to live a life of freedom and prosperity and if I wasn’t serious, or willing to “go all in”, then I will be a loser in life…yada yada yada. Who does this? I seriously thought about joining and maybe I was missing an opportunity, but every time I listened to a call or asked a question, I felt gross and had that nagging doubt.

    I once asked someone, who was all in and who I thought had integrity and would be honest with me, if she truly thought a person living paycheck to paycheck should risk “going all in” and really be able to earn a decent living from this and what was the value I would be providing others by doing so. She couldn’t answer me. I got the same pitch back in her response and I instantly knew there was no value and the only value would be the money I would have to steal from others to pay myself. Nope. Not for me.

    I hope it is shut down soon and I hope people stop believing the lie they are selling.

    Ha, for not having much to comment on, I said quite a bit!

    • Kyle says:

      You are a smart Carol and going with your gut allowed you to realize what is really going on here. Those that are making others “go broke” by ruthlessly promoting the all-in option cannot feel good about themselves at the end of the day knowing that they have just forced another person on the streets. Anyone with an ounce of ethics and morals eventually realizes what they are doing to others and moves on and apologizes to all of the people they ruthlessly had to convince that EN was the way out.

      The program is about motivating others to get into the program, and then continuing to do that in a ponzi like fashion. Like other programs like this, it relies on an influx of new members in order for the model to sustain itself, or in other words, new people to get sucked in and abused by the shameless promotions. Wussy, You don’t love your family, along with telling folks they don’t “have it” if they don’t drop $5,000 is ridiculous.

      Thanks for posting your story, it is far too similar to almost every other story that comes in about this program.

      • Gary says:

        I must disagree with Kyle because his article is rather prejudiced and ignorant.

        I will not touch all the points of this corrupted article.

        No Product? There is a product and this product is called “knowledge”. When you go to university what you get there? I spend more than $40,000 to get a law degree and complete the Bar.

        So I got two diplomas/certificates without any diamonds or gold on it for the price that I spent :) What I really got is the knowledge that makes me money and saved a lot of money in tricky situations.

        So I paid for the knowledge and skills that I developed within me.

        So the knowledge and application of it is the key!

        People pay a lot of money to be present at the seminars by motivational multi-millionaire speakers, businessman etc to get what? To get the knowledge that will make a lot of difference in your life if you correctly apply this knowledge.

        Kyle said that EN is pyramid. No it is NOT. It is a single level marketing. I recently watched video about it where Dave Wood explains this clearly.

        So you get commission directly from a person who bought the product. However, you also get just once a commission from their second, fourth and sixth sale. Thereafter, you get their every fifth commission. Why is that? The reason behind it is to help others to get on track if they wish to be an affiliate. Nowadays a lot of people either selfish or very busy. So unless a person gets from you something they are not really interested in helping you. This is the harsh reality in any business. However, not all people are like that. Thanks God!

        So in reality you do not get any commission from other people’s sales, except those that are stated above. And yes, you can earn more money than those who are “above” you,i.e. those who sold you a product at the first place. So it is not an MLM pyramid.

        Oh, forgot to mention that you get commission down the line only in the instance when the affiliate who sold any product does not have this product himself/herself. That’s why affiliates buy the products themselves when they see that they could earn commission, but failed.

        Personally, I think this is right.

        How many times salespeople tried to sell you things they do not own themselves due to the lack of quality or anything else? I never buy anything from somebody who does not want to have this product himself/herself.

        For instance, if somebody tries to sell me Nokia, but himself uses iPhone. What my reaction should be? It is wrong. If I go to BMW dealership and the salesperson sings praises to all BMW’s but himself owns Audi, will I want to buy from him? I hope you see the point.

        I joined EN through Big Idea Mastermind after a thorough research.

        I get the knowledge that I needed in running my own business. Sometimes one idea can make a lot of difference in your life or business.

        By the end of the day you do not have to promote EN “products” if you have something else to promote ex.your business, but if you do not have one, then why not when it is a genuine product that helps developing business and personality.

        A lot of people out there are looking for this kind of product.

        I found it and never regret.

        Finally, Kyle it is very unethical to put dirt on somebody else’s product or business in order to promote your own. Unfortunately, this is exactly what you do.

        • Kyle says:

          Hey Gary,

          Thanks for stopping by. Your arguments are very similar to everyone else that has been stung by this program. You are trying to quantify the fact that you have purchased too much for a product just so you could promote that product to others. You are also trying to quantify to yourself that it is OK to take money from people for your own benefit, which you know deep down inside the program is really about.

          No Product? There is a product and this product is called “knowledge”. When you go to university what you get there? I spend more than $40,000 to get a law degree and complete the Bar.

          The difference. You have a degree. With EN you are buying into the product levels so you can promote those products to other unsuspecting folks (at your financial gain). It has nothing to do about acquiring knowledge, if that was the case you wouldn’t be spending $5,000+ on something of this nature.

          Kyle said that EN is pyramid. No it is NOT. It is a single level marketing. I recently watched video about it where Dave Wood explains this clearly.

          Is there multi-levels within it? Yes. Are you required to promote the program to others to make money? Yes. You are part of an MLM, one that is based on the requirement of YOU to ruthlessly and unethically (although you are blinded to this) recruit people in your downline. Your sponsors though Gary, are the real ones making money off of you luring your friends and family into this program.

          How many times salespeople tried to sell you things they do not own themselves due to the lack of quality or anything else? I never buy anything from somebody who does not want to have this product himself/herself.

          The reason you bought the product is so you could promote it to others though, not for some amazing information. It is a facade for what is really going on. Now it is your task to go and yell “go all-in” to all those you recruit at any cost. Often times it is at the cost of them losing their houses, vehicles, and not being able to put food on the table for their family. But that is OK right because you make money?! Makes no sense to anyone with morals.

          I joined EN through Big Idea Mastermind after a thorough research.

          If you did your research you would have discovered that this very person you joined through was charged with grand theft. If these are the people you like to associate with then you are in good company within your program. If you had no idea about this, then you should have a look at this news video. The media references him as a “con man” and unfortunately you are not only getting conned, you are conning others now Gary.

          A lot of people out there are looking for this kind of product.

          People are looking for opportunity. What you are giving them is not that. 97% of the people within the program will never earn their money back and your sole mission is to get people in the door, get them to go all-in, and then teach them to do the same to others. That’s it. This is not a business and if you think it is, you should definitely spend some time looking at REAL businesses out there. This is an MLM, but one in which is reliant on newcomers into the scheme to keep it running. Perhaps you may want to look this up on wikipedia, you are not going to like the famous “scheme” that is reference by this very definition.

          Finally, Kyle it is very unethical to put dirt on somebody else’s product or business in order to promote your own. Unfortunately, this is exactly what you do.

          Far from the truth. I am using my opinion the same way you are. I am offering people WAY more help and for free within “my product” than you are offering for $5,000. If you were selling a car that was in great condition, and your neighbour was selling the same car but the engine was missing, would you not point that out to a prospective customer. Don’t you have the moral diligence to do this. That is my stance.

          I wish all the best selling your hot air Gary, I hope at some point you do realize though what you are doing is not right in so many ways. The minute you remove yourself from the “crowd” you will gain some sensibility. I always say that a ridiculous discussion only make sense when you are in the company of idiocy, hence why it appears OK to you to rip people off. I hope I have offered some clarity into what you are really doing…from an an alternative and real perspective.

        • Steve Thomas says:

          Yeah, Vick Strizheus another stand up guy. No Idea Masterscam more like:

          http://ashcampbell.com/vick-strizheuz-big-idea-mastermind-scam/

  33. Tonya says:

    Well, after reading this, I will NOT be joining…

    Thank you for opening my eyes to the truth about this SCAM!!!

    • Kyle says:

      Probably a good move on your part Tonya. The $25 entrance point is just the start of the teeth that were about to get sunk into you. Before you know it they are going to be telling to you to spend $5,000 or you don’t love your family (no joke, that is their sales pitch).

      If you need any help getting started online, I would be more than happy to help you do so in a proper and ethical way (and do so for free).

  34. Nathan says:

    Most of the people on here sound broke and I would’t hire them to clean my dogs poop!

    I think I’m going to sign up… If it’s that many haters on here, I think this empower thing might worth looking at.

    When this many people are talking bad about you, something is good on the other side of the coin.

    Thanks for valuable tips..

    Nate.

    p.s. If you don’t have haters in your life, you not doing nothing worth talking about.

    • Kyle says:

      That is the typical type of verbiage we have come to expect out of your crowd. I think that after reading this, most people will be glad that they are not part of Empower Network as they will not have to interact with people like yourself Nathan. You cannot fool anyone either, you would not speak like this if you were not already part of the scheme…

      There is a difference between having haters and people being upset about being “taken” by a scam as well. Enjoy your journey and I hope for your sake you don’t push too many people to spend their life savings on information…or you are not going to have too many friends for too long. All the best nonetheless. :)

  35. Rui Silva says:

    Thank you! I really mean thank you :D But not for stopping me to join this scammers paradise, but to finally find an article saying exactly what EN is all about!

    Kyle, do I have your permission to “steal” some parts of your text, translate them and post on my scam reviews?

    I am from Portugal and have a website (not fully operational yet), a facebook page and a blog where I study a few ways of making money online as well as I show some of the scams out there.

    I have heard (read) about EN on a variety of places. There`s plenty of webpage results when you`re looking for online business. I must say I find EN personal websites (blogs) awful and screaming SCAM on every word and picture shown but, hey, that`s me! Probably most of people would be blown away with the perspective of siiting their arses on the couch, getting a laptop on their… lap and just make money!! (well it actually is possible, but with the right products/services as you stated).

    As I said, I came across thousands of their ads. Everyday on facebook I have a sponsored had fro some EN rich dude taking a cruise or driving a sports car!

    Always wanted to understand how they worked (already knew they`re Ponzi f***ers) but the only way to dig deeper would be actually get in to the “cult” something that I always told myself “hell no – I won`t pay in order to get paid”! and thanks to you I have a pretty good insight of how they have their scheme running!

    So, may I still a few parts of this test to write my own review? I will quote you, of course!

    I am also planning on getting interested on EN so I can get in touch with someone, make him answer a few question and they add it to my review!

    And, as a curiosity, in Portugal there`s a big group of EN “mentors”. They are so…. hmmm… (what can I say besides “stupid”?)nevermind… what I want to say is that the name of their group sums up what hey really are… and that is:

    “LAZY MILLIONAIRES LEAGUE”!!!

    PS – Sorry fo my english!

    Best regards!

    • Kyle says:

      First off, your English is awesome Rui! I think that the agenda of this program is obvious to most people, but sometimes the desire to achieve success and earn more money overshadows our logic. The EN program is sold not on what it is, rather on the falsified stories behind the people within it.

      They sink their teeth in the very emotion that is driving people to purchase and using language like “You Don’t Love Your Family if you don’t go all in” has a profound impact on those that love their family and want the best for them. It is sickening and anyone with an ounce of morals can appreciate that.

      Anyone selling any program based on a fancy car, a big house or a “cruise” is doing so because their actual product lacks substance. This is happening industry wide and is quite commonplace unfortunately.

  36. William says:

    You’re being a little deceptive when comparing pricing models. A premium membership at wealthy affiliate is $47.00 a month. The free membership you offer is essentially worthless. You get training only to the extent it serves to promote your product, as far as 1 on 1 support that’s a laugh. All the help comes from members not any support staff at wa. So stop calling the kettle black, Mr. pot.

    • Kyle says:

      The Starter membership at Wealthy Affiliate includes:

      -2 free WordPress websites (that can be used to promote anything in any niche)
      -live chat help (instant)
      -personal access to help from the founders
      -access to a 10 lesson getting started course
      -access to a 10 lesson affiliate bootcamp course
      -ability to access questions and get help on anything
      -access to 100’s of video and tutorial training modules
      -access to the most interactive and helpful community the world
      -access to our affiliate program

      What you are selling is worthless and what you are getting people to spend $5,000 (often times their life savings on) is inferior to what I am recommending people get for free. It’s a shame William.

      It is more than evident that you haven’t been a member or you would feel absolutely unethical about what you are doing.

  37. Bruno says:

    Dude Empower is now launching a $10,000 product to their all-in products. Things just went from bad to worse. $10,000!

    Enough said, I hope these losers are taken out by the authorities.

    It is called High Ticket Academy if you want to look it up. You might also want to add it to your review.

    I just join the WA thing too, will be checking it out. Thanks. Bruno

    • Kyle says:

      Ouch, $10,000. High Ticket Academy is right, perhaps Over Priced Academy is more appropriate. I wonder how many people are going to lose their homes for this one. I hope people aren’t so foolish to get sucked into this one as well.

      But I suppose unless you invest into this program, they are going to use their favorite phrase “You don’t love your family if you don’t go all in”.

    • Steve Thomas says:

      Hi everyone

      I’m not a member on here so thought I’d reply to Bruno’s post. Kyle, can I just say first off how impressed I am both with your review and your clear knowledge, experience, reasoned arguemt and willingness to inform and help people out on here.

      This will probably be longer than I want it to be, but I tend to type a lot and although I have a lot to say, I just want to boil it down to a few things.

      I was in EN up until last week for over 14 months. I never made a single sale in that time (I never had the money to get even the Inner Circle membership let alone the higher ticket packages). It was my first experience of trying to do any kind of marketing online or make money and I knew that it would be a massive learning curve. I only managed to attend one event back in Denver where they talked about releasing ENv2 (which turned into a lemon and a half). I was despite one or two nagging thoughts about them on the whole, an avid EN fan and this was based partly on some of the genuine people who I’ve made friends with since.

      So I will say this; outside of all the money I spent on EN and marketing and going to that event etc, I never really ‘lost’ in my opinion because I DID get something out of it and I learned some lessons and became wiser because of it. And after all, isn’t that what life is all about, right? I also got some value from some of the calls too and even one or two of the member hangouts I’ve been on.

      However…..

      As I said above, I always had a couple of things eat away at me if you will for the longest time. One of these was that a good friend of mine now who I met through EN and Facebook, told me that David Wood personally told her at an event that she should not be doing hangouts each week on Youtube which she and her husband used to do every single Tuesday night to help out their team as well as anyone who just wanted to watch outside of that, unless those people on the hangout were earning a MINIMUM of $30,000. Now when I think back on this it quite frankly disgusts and shocks me even more at the unbelievable arrogance displayed by the co-owner. Do you mean to tell me that an owner of a network marketing company would be that indignant and put out by someone who is making HIM money each week, wanting to reach out and help their team to be successful too? Of course, this would go in with Mr Wood’s strict policy of if you’re not ‘all in’ and producing large numbers, then I ain’t gonna help ya/got no time for you.

      To be honest, just reading some of the posts underneath from either former members or people who have pointed out about the tiny fraction of HUGE earners in the company, I don’t feel the need to rehash this stuff. For those of you who have heard Dave and Dave speak before, you know from their own mouths they said that they started the company with the idea of helping their team succeed. Yes. Their TEAM. A team of already experienced and mostly very successful marketers, super eager and blessed to be in a room of 80 people or less, all ready to join a brand new company that as we know, very quickly went on to huge success. Anyone that lucky enough to have been in that room, even someone with zero list for example, was only ever going to come out smelling of roses.

      Now, some of you reading this (maybe you’re one of the rabid EN fanboys or girls) may well be already saying “Err, so what about the people who signed up like, 5 months ago and are doing great then, huh?!”. Well, again, those who have big lists and/or are successful and experienced marketers will MOST LIKELY see a level of success, probably even falling into the tiny bracket of people earning over $1000 or more a month. I don’t know a single person who doesn’t fit that description coming in and making even a couple of basic sales at $25. And some of these people worked their asses off and spent a lot of money to do it. When you have tens of thousands of other people in the same boat, trying to do the same thing and pretty much all flailing and flailing, what else would you expect?

      I absolutely agree that success in ANY field like this takes a lot of work, determination, focus and learning new skills to succeed. And I will be the first to hold my hand up and say that I went somewhat lack the last 6 months because I was busy elsewhere and had some family health problems to contend with. But the more I have stepped back and looked at the bigger picture of EN and seen and heard many things, most on good faith from intelligent, reasonable and reliable sources (one being a top earner in EN who told me that he stopped promoting because of personal reasons with the leaders and how he didn’t like how the people underneath were struggling big time, DESPITE some of the claims of them supposedly doing well), the more I realise that I was just drinking the EN Kool Aid for too long and ignoring some of the glaring issues that were staring me right in the face.

      The final straw for me really was a hangout the 2 Dave’s did last month that promised to be typically ‘epic’ and that if I loved my family (UGHHH where they f*** do they get off using that shameless bully boy buzz word garbage) I would be in attendance. Well I had to watch the replay because I was out, but for anyone who saw it, it was them explaining about why Dave Wood had fallen off the map of late (yeah, I know why now because he cheated on his wife and knocked a girl up which naturally, he omitted that from his teary-eyed speech – more on that in a minute) and how they knew ENV2 was a bomb and that retention rates were dropping quite a bit etc. Of course, in amongst all this we get to hear more ‘hilarious’ stories because every story they say is apparently the most ‘hilarious’ thing ever and it never actually is.

      But then it went serious as Dave Wood started to visibly cry and he talked about how he was getting divorced and gave a heartfelt shout out to those people in his circle who really lifted him up at such a bad time in his life. All stirring stuff, even got me slightly emotional too (oh they are MASTERS at this I can assure you, NLP experts to the core). And then the stirring almost stream of conscious diatribe that Dave Wood does so well about how the next EN event in Miami is the most important and biggest event they will ever do (like every single event before is the biggest and best one ever and cannot be missed) and that everyone should buy not just one but THREE tickets to Miami MINIMUM (because if you love your family, you will bring ‘em along!) in fact, buy TEN tickets! Get all of your team there….and right now there’s someone sitting on this hangout and he’s making a decision to go all in RIGHT NOW and he’s pulling his wallet out RIGHT NOW because he wants to go forward and step into his power NOW by deciding to go all in not just financially but spiritually and emotionally (another key catch phrase from usually David Sharpe).

      At this point in the hangout…….I went from feeling almost moved and thinking that “You know what? YEAH! I’m with EN all the way! Sure, I don’t happen to have around 2 grand to go to Miami all the way from the UK, but I’m with you Dave and Dave! let’s do this thing!”…………to “Heyyyyyyy! WTF just happened?! Did you just go from being almost cut up to the point of breaking down to babbling more NLP related pitching knowing that someone out there is so already moved too that they will pull that credit card out and go all in like their life depends on it?! I’m calling BULLSHITTTTTTTTTTTTTT!”

      And then it hit me that this wasn’t the first time I’d seen this happen, but rather multiple times (for those of you who were in Denver last year for example will know they have everyone flock to the stage who will go all in once they’ve pumped them up even more by jumping and carrying on).

      And that’s the moment when I made MY decision to go ‘all out’ and quit my membership. Don’t forget btw, kids that $25 basic membership is more $45 because everyone gets into EN to make money as an affiliate, RARELY is it just as a customer and that you can also add on having an autoresponder (another $20 for Aweber which is what I had) plus money spent on solo ads (solo ad vendors hate EN ads btw and for good reason) plus money spent for marketing, plus money needed to go the events and of course, it’s time to sell the furniture you use and the clothes off your back to go up, up, up the higher ticket chain for products that quite frankly (and this is going just from a good friend of mine who went all in), aren’t worth the money for what you get.

      I’ve gone on longer than I wanted too, but I just wanted to again, thank Kyle and indeed everyone else who has put forth their accounts and their experiences and to say to anyone who is looking to join EN – think long and hard about joining and weigh up everything as best as possible. Especially from reading what Kyle has talked about with regards to what you are actually getting compared to what WA offer. And no, I’m not a member of WA although I may well take a look sometime :)

      I can’t tell you how great it feels to have got out of that cult (and make no mistake, it IS a cult). The owners even laughingly refer to people calling it cultish, but it is. I’ve seen how people talk about them and write about them with unwavering enthusiasm and love, yet if you ask them how they are doing financially and if they get the proper help and training and support they need from their sponsors and associates, the reality is much different from the fantasy they paint. There ARE people who are killing it with EN but there are are even MORE who aren’t even covering their basic membership ONCE let alone every month. I liken my experience with EN to standing an inch away in front of a picture and then taking a step back and then another and then another until I can see the whole thing for what it is. And frankly, I don’t really like what I see at all.

      *inhales deeply Ahhhhhhhh! Feels so good to be me again :)

      Peace and best of luck and success to you all and if you’re in EN and doing well? Hats off to you. I just hope that if EN is ever exposed for what it looks like to be and that it all comes crashing down, I just hope you don’t lose out TOO much. There are some great members in this program and some who I am proud to call good friends of mine after all.

      Steve

      P.S. Btw, I’m not sure if I am allowed to post links in here but if I am, check out a great video review by a former all in member about why he not only left EN, but also why he believe it to be dangerous too:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QDpsOkTB6w

      • andrez says:

        EN has no real value. They are also quick at receiving payment from subscribers but when comes to paying out commission, it takes ages and they actually eat up the commission with holding period, processing fees, rejection fees etc. What you will receive is only probably at most 60-70% of your entitled commission. EN is just a SCAM.

      • Carol says:

        Thanks for your post Steve, I am sure your experience will help many. Glad you are back to feeling yourself and you are a talented writer in my humble opinion. All the best to you!

        • Steve Thomas says:

          Hey Carol, thanks very much for the compliment, much appreciated!

          I really didn’t mean to go on for so long, but I guess it had built up a lot over the many months and every day that I’m out of that crap-fest, the more ‘normal’ and reasoned I feel again! :D

  38. jocelyn says:

    Hey Kyle, this post made me smile (and laugh) because I was once a victim of empower scam. Their program is quite expensive and after I joined them, nobody was teaching me just what to do to make money. They just squeezed cash from me! The first time I logged into my personal empower network blog, I was shocked to see that it’s just another wordpress blog with a seo-optimizing widget and nothing more. And so, I said to myself, “Is this what I am getting from my cash? Hey, I can just have this simple platform for my personal WordPress blog without joining EN and have the least overhead possible.”

    • Kyle says:

      You can get much better, much more powerful, and websites that give you control to promote whatever you like for FREE! Also the EN blogs as you likely found are geared towards promoting Empower. If you wanted to promote your own niche or take an idea of yours online, think again. If you are in Empower and not promoting Empower, you are not going to be treated well…that is the only reason this scheme continues.

      People join the opportunity for the purpose of promoting the opportunity to others (although they are unaware of this when they join). The more people you can take money from, the better you do.

  39. Sarah says:

    I just reported these fools to the FTC and I hope others will follow me in my attempt to bring this epic scam down. My story with them is probably the same as most people, but since you got a good discussion going on here I thought I would offer my thoughts.

    First, I joined with the intention of spending the $25 they claimed would get me rolling. Never once was I told about what I was getting into.

    Well, silly me, this was followed by an additional 19 per month, $100 per month, $5,000 one time because out of a senseless act, they told me that if I didn’t buy all the stuff I didn’t love my family. This is how they get you to buy stuff also known as going ‘all in’.

    I am a single mom and this hurt to the core. When someone tells you that you don’t love your family, I started crying…I felt guilty, I spent money that I should have been spending on my daughter. I feel like horrible person for doing this, but Empower network seems to take normal people and someone turn them into horrible ones. I didn’t like who I as becoming. I found myself trying to recruit my friends into this just so I could make a buck.

    well…I am just waiting on my credit card company to see if I can get this money back from Empower Network. They can give me my money back for the motivational products they shoved down my throat.

    A few other things that you should know about this program:

    *They owners have been caught in a lie about their stories of rags to riches to sell the program. They weren’t poor. You will notice they never talk about their product within their marketing, because they are bogus.

    *Several of the top sponsors have criminal records for fraud. How appropriate. I got ripped off personally by Vick in the past.

    *The owner cheated on his wife and got another girl pregnant and is now with that girl. He brags about it. To a single mom like me, I find this so disgusting.

    *Their top sponsors all met and had a secret agreement before the program even started.

    *Recently some top affiliates have been calling out the David’s for stealing affiliate income.

    I don’t want to use more words than I should here so I will end it. I have been taken by this company and you should read what everyone is saying here about them.

    PS. Report them to the FTC if you have had a negative experience with this program.

    https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#&panel1-6

    Please post this too Kyle, I want people to know my story.

    Sarah

    • Kyle says:

      So sorry to hear about you and even more so about the fact that they used the “you don’t love your family” approach. It is usually that one or they call you a wussy and worthless if you don’t buy into their program.

      I am even more sorry that you ended up feeling bad about yourself as a result. You sound like a wonderful person and I am glad you came to your senses here and it sounds like you have turned a corner. I appreciate you bringing your story to the attention of others here within my EN review so they can make a more educated decision based off of others experiences.

      I wish you all the best and if you ever need a hand getting things headed in the right direction (in respect to an online business) I would be more than happy to help you out for free.

    • Sade says:

      I was on there as an affiliate and you all are right, when your not making your sponsors any money your so called support system fall thru the cracks. They had me convinced that I can promote the business I already within EN and before I knew it, I was no longer promoting my previous business I was forced into promoting EN and getting NO WHERE FAST!

      I signed up one guy from Chicago and I felt really awful about it because I really had no idea what I was trying to convince him to buy I just new that he should buy it until I just couldn’t do any longer. So that was my only and I convinced him to cancel and get his money back which he did.

      Now my problem is the card I registered with EN no longer works and they’re saying my account is in “shut down status” I shouldn’t have anything to worry about right??? They can’t get anything from the card, or hopefully have some magically way to bill me.

      • Kyle says:

        It sounds like you are a grounded individual Sade, unfortunately for every person out there like you that “feels bad” about ripping others off, there is a vulture within EN that continues to generate revenue by convincing others that if they buy $5,000 worth of info products their life is going to magically change.

        Sorry to hear that you got into this program with the intention to promote your own business with no luck. The program at EN is about promoting EN to others, that is it. If you don’t, you are going to hear about it from your sponsors or get no support as you suggestions. If you ever need a hand with your current business, I would be more than happy to help you out and get you rolling in the right direction for no cost Sade.

        Thanks for sharing your story and I wish you nothing but success going forward. You deserve it!

        PS. If your credit card no longer works, you have nothing to worry about (thankfully)

  40. Donnie says:

    Hey Kyle,

    I just spent about an hour reading your post on EN and then all the comments. I’m furious. I was lured into this program several…manipulated and taken advantage of…I am so disgusted they are still ripping folks off.

    They have some new thing coming out that is going to be pushing more overpriced products, if you thought that their $3,500 course was ridiculous, just wait…

    Thanks for bringing exposure to a program than needs to be rid from the Internet forever.

    • Kyle says:

      More expensive products…just as people thought they were done spending at $5,000 + $145 per month with Empower, they are looking into more ways to make money off of them through overpriced information.

      Sorry to hear about your situation Donnie, you are not alone but you have better days ahead now that you are free of a program that appears to only have “making more money” as their key interest.

  41. Ruben Chez says:

    I received an email from one of the members from Empowerment and his email sounded to good to be true. I replied and asked him what was the nature of the business. He then when on and explaining how much money I will be making. I replied and told him I don’t understand the business and I’m not looking to get scammed. He replied and stated “how I would like to be called a scammer if I had a business”. He got so upset and told me to stop wasting his time. I like how I’m suppose to be recruited and I’m wasting his time for asking him questions (LOL). That’s how I found WA and it’s been a good experience.

  42. rod says:

    Can someone give me contact details for these scammers, They are taking money out of my bank and to contact them you need to go through their support page which I can not enter because the details they gave me do not work, HELP.

    • Kyle says:

      You can get in touch of their refund team on their website, worst case scenario, you contact your credit card company/bank and let them know that there are payments that need to be stopped/refunded.

      Sorry you are having such issues with this, but I absolutely know you are not alone. Folks trying to quit Empower Network continue to complain about their cancellation policies and the unethical way they treat people that try to get out of their cult.

  43. Eric says:

    Kyle, i am indebted to you bro for saving me a pile of auto-billed money and frustration and disappointment. many thanks, i almost bought into much of the Empower scam before i started reading more about it and digging a little deeper, then you really need to put your high boots on. thanks again

  44. giludi says:

    Let’s be honest: “You can make money, and even a lot by empower networking” but you can also make money by bank robbery, if your ethic code is so low you can do a lot of money in stealing and cheating your friends, your community and unknown people. That is what most folks are unknowingly doing within Empower Network and it is unfortunate.

    • JayP says:

      That is exactly it!! Damn I hate this program and the fools that are running it. I got ripped out of 5 f’in thousand bucks money that I will never be able to reclaim.

      Can you believe they told me I didn’t love my family unless I bought all their products. That somehow made me guilty and I ended up buying their overpriced info and videos.

      EN is robbing people out of money and it has to stop. If you have been ripped off like me please spend a minute and report it to the FTC. This program needs to be brought down for their full on pyramid scheme.

      http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0341-file-complaint-ftc

  45. TomK says:

    After being bombarded by 5 different marketers hyping “amazing” results, against my better judgement, I finally broke down and signed up… I got out 3 weeks later after I’ve wasted lots of time listening to same lying pitches and not finding any real value anywhere inside the membership… I’ll say more: I’ll stay away from buying anything from marketers who promoted EN. IMO, no one with integrity would want to promote junk just to cover their losses from someone else’s pockets.

    • Kyle says:

      I absolutely agree with you Tom. You cannot trust the future behaviour of someone that is currently trying to rob people and that is exactly what is happening here. I know that many people have and continue to bring to my attention that the top affiliate (Vick) is a convicted felon for insurance fraud. If that is not telling about what type of program this is and the kind of people that are involved, I don’t know what is.

      If you ever need a hand creating a REAL business online I would be more than happy to help you out Tom. There are real services out there that do care about something other than just their bottom line (ie, helping people).

  46. Bryan l says:

    Hi, can you tell me how to unsubscribe myself to EN i cant find it. Please

    • Kyle says:

      You will find this directly on their website within your back office Bryan.

      • Janet says:

        I foolishly got in last month – luckily only up to the inner circle level. I wanted to cancel before my renewal date and hunted for over an hour. Finally found one place under my account, then affiliate status. I clicked on cancel and it showed up on the affiliate status page when I canceled. I thought I had done what I needed to do but yesterday when checking my bank account I saw that another $125 had been taken out. I filled out a complaint “ticket” and got a response today that basically told me I was stupid. She told me all I had done was cancel my affiliate program but hadn’t canceled my subscriptions so “of course my billing cycle continued.” She told me that because I hadn’t made a phone call or submitted a ticket that she could not refund me my money but that she had unsubscribed me and (supposedly) I would not be charged again. Then she told me to “have a wonderful day!” So, if you still have access to your account, click on your name at the top right hand side of their page, go down to support, login and fill out a “ticket” requesting all of your subscriptions be canceled. I would also mention canceling your affiliate status but I would also go in under My Account under your name and click on affiliate and then cancel your affiliate status there, too. But make sure you fill out a ticket!! I replied to them that it shouldn’t be a game of hide and seek to be able to cancel!

        • Kyle says:

          Ouch, sorry to hear about the frustration Janet. You are not the first to complain about the difficult of cancelling your payments once you get sucked into to the myriad of upsells within this system. When you do have a recurring membership it is one’s responsibility to cancel, but if they make it difficult and confusing to cancel they should definitely honour that fact if your payment lapses. Bad business all around and worst case scenario (if you don’t get anything back) you can touch base with your credit card company.

  47. r0manas says:

    Thanks for the blog post Kyle. I’m 100% sure that this post literally SAVED bunch of people (including myself) from even trying the ’25$ package’. I have heard some good things about this program but so many more bad things from past members.

    I’ve registered @WA and hope that I really can create successful online business. Thought I don’t have much free time now, I’ll still try my best. ^^

    Thanks again!

    Romanas.

  48. Arman says:

    All the negative feedback here is right on par with what I have experienced at EN. Your sponsor only likes you if you go all in which means spending $1,000’s and the Dave’s are rude and condescending. If you want to be part of pyramid program then EN is def one. Not legitimate at all and I am requesting my money back from their website.

    • Kyle says:

      You wouldn’t believe how many people have contacted me with sad stories how they have been pressured out of their “rent” or out of money that could have been used for their kids Christmas presents just so they could go all in. To me this is a selfish on both parties, but when you have sponsors of a program like this telling you that you have to go all-in or you hate your family (that is one of the lines that they have used), people do some pretty radical things.

  49. Anonymous says:

    Well the truth is that some mlm companies are good and some are bad.

    The good ones have more customers than sellers…but the product is most of the time something someone can hold in their hands or eat ect. I just wanna toss that out there, to let people know that not all mlm companies are bad..you just have to know which ones to join.

    I too tried EN and being an online marketer and knowing seo. I didn’t see the value in it as I could just get a free wordpress blog or a blogger blog for free. I also noticed that a lot of places online have banished EN.

    My upline was of no use and would only come around when it was time to pay again…which bothered me because I’d rather you leave me alone and let me do my thing before you come bothering when it is time to pay..like bill collectors…

    I signed up a few people in EN before I understood how they pay you and you miss out on some of your sales unless you pay a bunch of money to get paid on all of them. The extra charge for their wallet system was not mentioned to me until after I just paid to signup…should have known about this B.S. then.

    Then you would figure I would have known better to listen to a guy with his shirt off half of the time calling everyone a wussy.

    EN didn’t teach me anything I didn’t already know about online marketing, so it really isn’t for the advance nor is it for the starter because they will not explain anything to you until you pay more then what people working a regular job 9 to 5 make.

    Being in this industry for awhile I had a feeling about this and would not shove out anymore money until I understood how this works. Turns out they don’t care and won’t tell you nothing until you kick 10k at them.

    I took the time to understand the pay structure by myself 5 hours later I understood how it worked inside and out.

    I canceled the whole dam thing and took the other people with me to another mlm business where we are all having success now because we have products that customers really like and are buying.

    Lesson learned real actual products = real business.

    Furthermore I am not in Kyles program, but I haven’t seen anything bad about it yet. I would welcome you all to join mine, but that would be spamming Kyles blog and I don’t do that.

    Thanks for making such well wrote out blog post for everyone to leave their EN story at.

    Much Regards!

    Anonymous

  50. Jonathan Platts says:

    Hi Kyle,
    I agree with you that Empower Network is full of arrogant fools who just want to look after number 1. However, I did want to offer a slightly different view on this to balance out the debate a little.

    I’ve been an internet marketer for over 2 years now and I’ve been a member of ALL the products you recommend on this site. They are all quite good, but actually, it wasn’t until I joined EN that I started to actually make serious money online.

    Why?

    Because I was lucky enough to have a passionate sponsor who taught me everything there is to know about traffic generation and conversion. I’m not talking about video courses and ebooks, I’m talking about skype and telephone support and valuable shared resources.

    The point I want to make is that the team you join within EN is absolutely crucial. People should only join a team where they have a solid commitment to get 1-1 support and any additional training they might need.

    For me, it has been the best education I’ve ever had, but for many, you are left alone to push products you don’t understand and don’t know how to sell, which is I find very sad and is no doubt why you feel this product is a scam.

    Anyway, I hope this information is helpful to you and your readers :)

  51. kosmick says:

    How can they be a scam? when they have paid out millions in commissions? enuff said

    • Kyle says:

      Lots of companies have paid out millions and turned out to be some of the biggest scams of all time. Look at Zeek Rewards (which by the way many of those affiliates are now involved with EN) and they had sucked $400 million out of folks. Look at Bernie Madoff…billions of dollars. Look at Enron…billions.

      Guess where those millions of dollars are coming from. The people that are joining in at the bottom levels of the greater pyramid. Enuff said.

      • Denis says:

        I have watched many videos, seen many caption pages regarding Empower Network over these past few months. I got an email tonight from one of their elves and I put in my email address and watched the video. The thing that sounded exciting, was the whole iPas program. I mean, I hate selling and this would have been a great way for me to have an online business but have a company do the follow up on my leads I generate through advertising.

        I am not even sure how I found this site, I think I googled Empower Network really quickly…but I was just about to order the $25 dollar per month package and then the $19 dollar package…I was reaching for my credit card when I started to read through these scam reviews. All I can say is, wow! I don’t like to judge a book by its cover, but I did find the one dude a little shady in the videos from months back…(trying not be be judgmental)

        All I can say is, I have obviously decided to NOT order the product and become affiliated with Empower Network. Thanks to this website. I don’t do, unethical. I was part of Zeek Rewards and it shut down before I made a penny. I’m not interested in another train wreck.

        If anybody has any online business opportunity that is honest and can actually make me money and help out the customer…I would love to know about it!

        Thanks…!

        • Kyle says:

          The thing is Denis, your $25 + $19 per month was just the start of the expenses in this program. You were going to get into the back end only to find that your so called “sponsor” will then push you hard to go all in. This means investing another $100 per month in the inner circle and then $5,000 within the one time courses in the program….not to mention attend all of the conferences they run all over the US.

          You are looking at over $10,000 per year when all is said and done if you don’t want to “be a wussy” or “you love your family”…two of the main things they say to you if you don’t BUY BUY BUY.

          If you want help from me personally and you want to learn the proper way to build a business online (in any niche you like), I would be more than happy to work within you inside of Wealthy Affiliate. I know you will absolutely love it and there is NO COST to get rolling.

    • Jonny says:

      Bernie Madoff also paid out millions to his investors. Enough said! Besides, Google, Facebook, PayPal, and other bank payment processors also deemed EN as scams.

  52. henry gray says:

    Wow…I was seriously thinking of joining them because one of them is supposed to be a christian…I friended her on facebook and decided to watch how successful she was doing..plus i wanted to see the feedback in her posts and your right..there is no product..and your right it seems like a pyramid scheme..so thank u for the additional information,and the piles of disgruntled people,You have persuaded me not to join empower network..much thanks

  53. Rose Mendoza says:

    I DON’T BELIEVE IS A SCAM AT ALL… The marketing program from Basic to Master should cost more than what it cost now…I would charge $10,000 for some of this stuff if I could. I mean, the more I can sell this stuff to people the more money I make. Too much value and many important things you do not know and that even if you knew it you would never get to teach it like them… :-)

    Sorry for your unhappy life being a hater, and happy that you are not in Empower Network… :-) You giving Empower Network such a big rating and the more people read the comments of people disagree on your words it helps many keep coming. We don’t need Wussies like you or the other bottom feeders that have commented here within Empower. :-)

    • Kyle says:

      Rose, I am sorry that you feel that you should be selling “information” products for $5,000 (or as you wish, $10,000). That is completely ridiculous and the only reason you can convince yourself that this is even remotely ethical is because you are making money off of people that haven’t a clue in the process. These poor people that you are ripping off.

      Did you know that you can get better blogs that the “Blog Beast” you are selling for FREE. Empower is charging $25 per month for this.
      Did you know that NO affiliate program ever charges folks to be part of their program. Empower does, $19.99 per month.
      Did you know that you can get superior training online for 19 years for the same price that people are going ALL IN? Didn’t think so.

      So perhaps you should look in the mirror and ask yourself, “am I in this for the right reason…to make money, or to actually help people.” I think if you have an ounce of ethics you would come out of this conversation realizing that you are acting in a very unethical way and you are simply in it to take money from unsuspecting folks…you could care less about actually helping them.

      Some of us would rather help the old lady putting groceries in her vehicle, it sounds like you would rather steal them.

    • Harry says:

      “the products should cost more than what they are”

      “your a wussy for not joining”

      “I dont believe it is a scam”

      “your a hater”

      Rose, all these things prove how low of an IQ you have and how your so brainwashed by the biggest scam artists (both daves) of the century.

      Your silly little phrases crack me up because I already know just how unsuccessful your going to end up being in empower network talking like your the most successful marketer and trying to talk down on long time veterans like Kyle who have been in this industry longer than you know.

  54. Linda says:

    I realize that it’s too late to get my money back on it, but how could I cancel it? I don’t want to pay a steep price per month.

    • Kyle says:

      You should be able to do this within your back-office Linda and if you cannot get a refund this way, then you will want to contact your credit card company. That is the typical protocol when cancelling any online. Try doing it through their service, if they are being difficult about it, then contact your credit card company.

      • kobayashi says:

        Great site Kyle! Love the reviews! I can’t believe the FTC has not shut down Empower Network by now. This company is selling a blog for $25 a month with a bunch of fluff to make it look like real products. People are spending a little over 5K on this crap when it’s all said and done. This is all without marketing too. WordPress, Tumblr are FREE! Wake up people! This is sad. So many hardworking people’s money is being taken by these con artists. They are looking for suckers. Don’t be one of them!

    • kobayashi says:

      Linda, just call your credit card company like Kyle says. Also, I hear you can usually get your money back from scams like this by telling your credit card company it was fraud.

    • Dominic says:

      What a small world. I just canceled my EN account 1 month ago. It was easy, you can cancel a lot of it through your profile/account page, but be sure to call to confirm you cancelation. You have to call Aweber to cancel with them by phone only. I was with them for 3 months earn “0” paid out $350, for my membership. Tried to post their instant, not so badass site. Facebook and craigslist rejected every post. So I went ahead and made my own sites with other domains and FB/CL still rejected them..BS system with over spammed tools.

  55. bob jones says:

    I worked for this company (Empower Network) and believe me they are a complete scam not only do the owners not live in the United States for fear of arrest. I called many people about this program trying to recruit them I had the phone slammed down on me 100’s of times. Many people had already heard about this scam.

    Stay far away from these scam artists.

  56. Ed Adam says:

    Kyle,

    Thanks much for your post. I have seen other posts revealing what is really going within this scam. Yours is best I have seen so far.
    Keep up the good work. The owners have really fooled a lot of people and have done a good job of brainwashing such a large crowd of followers. It reminds me of Charlie Manson or something.

    They learned how to take your money and put it into their accounts, the premise of the entire pyrmaid being operated at Empower Network.

    Ed

    • Kyle says:

      Yeah, there is definitely a cult like mentality. You wouldn’t believe some of the horrible things sponsors are doing to “earn” money off of the so called people they are helping. People are losing out $10,000’s in some cases to this program, money that could have actually been used to create an ethical business online.

  57. Leethal says:

    Sigh. I’m a full-time ghost writer. It’s my job to write whatever my clients ask for. Sometimes it’s blog posts. Sometimes it’s highly-researched articles. Sometimes it’s sales copy. Often it’s press releases and very regularly it includes ebooks too.

    I have three different clients, all unrelated, all recently sucked into this scam. It’s my job to write their hypey blog posts. It’s my job to write convincing sales copy to get people to join right now! It’s my job to write the ebooks they give away (or one of them sells), touting why this is such a good opportunity and why everyone should join right now! It’s my job to make the whole scam sound amazingly, jaw-droppingly awesome.

    Yet here I am leaving a comment on your review.

    I think this is because in the tens of thousands of words I’ve ghost-written on the subject, I’ve always known it reeks of pyramid scam. One of my clients secretly gave me access to the “training” videos so I could write about how awesome they are for him. I’ll never get those wasted hours of my life back, sadly. I’ve always hated the orders that arrive for EN topics. I seriously hate that my job requires me to make such a blatant rip-off sound so awesome.

    Yes, I’m partially to blame for so many people getting sucked into the hype. Yes, it’s my awesome writing that makes them want to join immediately. It’s the cleverly worded sales gimmick thing at work that makes people overlook the scammy bits and makes them see dollar signs before their eyes.

    I feel awful about it. I wish I could make my clients see what they’re doing, but I never do it. I wish I could write on their blog posts “just don’t do it”. But I don’t. Ghost-writing is how I pay my mortgage. I have no control over what my clients order from me. I do have control over which clients I work with though.

    On the bright side, it’s not just the EN fees those clients are paying every month. My writing services aren’t exactly cheap, so they’re paying out those costs every month too. The only person they’re making richer in that event is ME!! (I actually like that bit – I just hate writing about EN)

    So I just wanted to say thank you for posting this review. I really hope more people read this before jumping onto the Empower Network scam/hype bandwagon. More importantly, I hope more people promote this particular review to help others avoid being sucked in by the evils of my own sales copy.
    :)

    • Kyle says:

      Leethal, it sounds like you are in quite a predicament and I would like to make you an offer. I want to help you get out of the world of “ghost writing” and into the world of creating and growing your own business. I want to get you rolling for FREE as well. Do we have deal? If so, create your free Starter account at Wealthy Affiliate which is going to give you access to an entire training platform, tools, support, help and community included.

      The only thing worse than doing something that you don’t believe in is doing it for someone else (and letting them do it to others). I know you have much more potential than that and I can instantly tell that you can take your existing skills and build out a very successful company through the training and support you will get over at WA.

  58. JayP says:

    I keep hearing about something called blog beast coming on October 11 don’t know if anyone has heard of it. Apparently they are saying it is going to be the next facebook or something of the internet.

    They said it will be mobile blogging and allow you to add videos from your phone. Is this helpful? Also something about conversion tracking.

    Has anyone heard of this I would love to hear your thoughts.?

    • Kyle says:

      I will provide a bigger update on Blog Beast and provide a full review once it is fully rolled out, but mobile blogging is not a good idea nor is it beneficial. Why would you blog from your phone when you could accomplish 20x more in the same amount of time from a proper computer. It simply doesn’t make sense. Yes, people digest information on their phone, but no blogger “creates their content” from a phone.

      Also from what I have seen, it is a very LIMITED version of a website. They all have the same website template and they all have Empower Network branding on them. If you are planning on using the blog beast platform to promote anything other than Empower, you are going to be out of luck as they are low grade, salesy websites.

  59. Zoe Grace says:

    Wow, I was trying to explain what EN was to a friend of mine telling him that I was going to try them out until Christmas and if nothing happened by then I would opt-out. He found this write-up and simply said read this and get out NOW! Now that I’ve read your article and most of the comments I’m convinced that I need to break out of the “inner circle” asap!

    Just last week EN had a webinar/hangout and like you said it was a complete “rah rah” session (my exact words to my unsuspecting friend that told me about it.) The top people droned on and on about their story from rags to riches not talking about the tools of the trade at all. I should have known better when my friend set up a conference call with her “mentor” and he stood us both up, and when she tried to get him to talk to another friend of hers to explain how EN would help her with her own business he told her to just get her to join in on the $25 level.

    If I had half a brain I should have bailed back then.

    I just really wanted to believe that EN would work for me and my bf. And you’re right that wuss bs is their claim to fame, or saying things like you really have to “Believe” and work hard that “ANYONE” can make a great deal of cash with EN. You just have get “ALL IN” and take a chance. NOOOOOT! No, you don’t get one on one support, oh and the blog? Here’s a good one! EN tells you that all you have to do is set up your blog and “leave the rest to us.”

    So when my bf did some blogging and couldn’t understand why no one commented. I asked if EN linked her blog up to fb, twitter, whatnot so she would get traffic. She said she didn’t know, so she asked her mentor and he said that she would have to do it. Basically, that he wasn’t there to “hold her hand!”

    I still don’t know what “leave the rest to us” means, and at this point I don’t care. I’m out! I’m going back to my original plan with WordPress and do the premium thing for $99 a year, instead of $120 a month and call it a lesson well learned. Thanx for this:)

    • Kyle says:

      Just blog and the rest is taken care of for you? That is a bizarre approach to creating a business and one that is missing all of the “fundamentals”. The reason this is the approach is because if you really “knew” the purpose of your blog, then you wouldn’t be a member. It has no purpose. It is simply used as “bait” to get you in the door and for you to promote other people into the very same system.

      The blogs don’t rank, they don’t get mass “traffic” (or even trickle traffic), and they are built in a way that is only conducive of promoting Empower Network. If you wanted to promote something within your own niche, then you would be out of luck because you have “becoming rich” branding riddled throughout your site. Also, you hear many touting “Alexa” rank as some sort of metric that determines search engine viability. This has nothing to do with rank nor is it a good gauge for website traffic. If anyone had a clue about Alexa, they would realize that this is unrelated.

      If you want a WordPress website and want to get your own niche up and running for free, I suggest you check out the website building platform at WA. You get two websites free, much more cost efficient than $120 per month! You can also see a comparison between the viral blogging system and WA here.

  60. Colly says:

    I’ve just started my own wordpress blog for fun. The 3rd person who ‘followed’ me was this weasle from Empower Network, Julian Sherman. The thing about WP is that when someone follows you, you get a notification and you’re excited and want to see who likes your blog, so you check them out! Sneaky, slimy buggers over at EN spamming other people.

  61. Lindsey says:

    THANK YOU! I have a friend that has been trying to get me to do this and I couldnt figure out how you make money so I Google about them and bam here you are!! THANK YOU!!

    • Kyle says:

      Your “friend” is trying to get you to join so they can take money from your bank and put it into theirs. That is what you will be taught when you join the program. Your friend may not be such a great friend afterall…

  62. Kasper Pedersen says:

    So what are your thoughts about env2 aka the beast?

    • Kyle says:

      A lot of hype about a limited “blogging” platform. There are much better platforms out there and the “$3 million” that is being touted as the investment is nothing compared to the BILLIONS that have been invested into platforms like WordPress. I honestly would recommend that if you want a quality, niche website, you choose a WordPress one and one that is not filled with “branding”. You can get up and running with a WordPress website through my Build a Website page here and literally have your own niche website in 10 minutes from now (for completely free).

  63. Lubano Lim says:

    Hi Kyle,

    I almost wanted to join Empower Network a few months ago because I was on a list of a marketer whom I trust. He was promoting this program saying how much money he has made using the methods taught in Empower Network.

    But somehow, I just feel uncomfortable about it. So in the end, I didn’t join the program because it is definitely not a program that I will feel comfortable in promoting.

    • Kyle says:

      You always have to feel comfortable with your decisions. If something makes you feel uneasy, chances are there is a reason why and you should listen to your instinct Lubano.

  64. Jack hoff says:

    You all are idiots. You dont know hat EN offers cause uour a bunch of broke, pathetic individuals who are listening to a guy who is encouraging you to buy his products on the back end of slamming EN. EN’s blog is to help you market your personal business. Ya’ll aren’t creative or smart enough to create a business so your stupid asses expect to join a “scheme” and 3 clicks and you make money and when your still broke you bitch. You prolly work at burger king where you have a general manger, district manager, store manager, team leaders, low level. Sounds like a pyramid scam to me too. Ignorant ass people.

    • Kyle says:

      Well said Jack, you are just about as classy as all of the other folks from Empower that leave comments here. The difference with Burger King and Empower is that Burger King sells “burgers” to whomever wants a burger (business to customer transaction). Empower Networks sells people into a scheme…and yes, you have to be part of the scheme in order to sell others into the scheme and then so on. If you don’t think this program is in the shape of a pyramid, you may want to brush up on your geometry.

      Sounds like you may be the ignorant one, they have definitely pulled the wool over your eyes.

    • Sandy says:

      So folks, if we are allowed to Blog about any program other than EN why did we all lose all our hours of customization when the new BEAST was released. When I asked my upline, his answer was shut up and sell more EN. Totally true story, this is what he said. No one at En has addressed my question about my customizations being lost forever. If they were a true blogging platform you can use to sell whatever you like, it might be a legitimate business model. I have owned a national network marketing company, am a freelance writer and have been a successful business owner for 20 years. No I don’t work at burger king and I can spell as well as not feel the need to have a foul mouth to show my ignorance. Let’s help others not lose their money to a business model that doesn’t really hold water.

  65. Cale says:

    I’ve had several friends try to suck me into this scam that had red flags galore from the start. Your article confirmed my gut feeling about it all. Needless to say, I no longer have a sense of security around these people now knowing they are indirectly thieves stealing from the gullible.

    I can’t help but think of scams like this as dealing with a casino. There’s no actual product, just being sold on the ideology that you can be a winner too. The house “the Dave’s” have their house rake of any game in the place to make their money and that will always be there. The players “marketers” who win and are profiting are actually just exchanging the losses the other players sacrificed. It may be all sunshine and happiness for those in the profit for now, but play long enough everyone goes broke and the house always wins.

    • Kyle says:

      Sounds like you completely understand what is going on Cale and I do think that your casino analogy is accurate. The winning players are absolutely winning at the cost of other players losing. That is how the model works. They are not winning by offering a service that is allowing others to win, if that was the case they wouldn’t need to have a pyramid style structure to their program.

  66. Peter Rush says:

    Wow, Kyle, this is the best write-up I’ve found on this truly evil empire. I joined at $25 level, and upped to $100, in the spring, based on believing that the “products” (“training” videos) were what I was told they were–useful tools in promoting ANY business (tools that truly would do this would be worth $100 a month, at least for a few months). When I realized that they were nothing but hype for going all in, as were all of the webinars, I got out after a month, since without valuable products, it was an obvious pyramid scheme.

    The tragedy is how many desperate people are being sucked into this. First of all, you didn’t make this point, but I’m sure you will agree, that it has succeeded in morphing into a true cult (think Scientology), where people are brainwashed into believing that this is great, and which makes them impervious to hearing reason. That makes them so dangerous, because true believers can be very convincing in coaxing other people into ignoring their reservations (wow, if this person is so positive, it simply MUST be a good program).

    All of which makes me feel really sad, and furious, at the PR blitz that is becoming a loud roar across the internet, of the coming of “the Beast,” a supposedly way more effective set of marketing tools to promote EN. Yikes, how many more poor suckers will be robbed blind and brainwashed into the bargain, by this “upgrade” to this evil scheme. Oh, and along with the cult aspect is, so I’ve heard, the likelihood that people who speak out who are not in EN have the risk of being sued for defamation, or otherwise harassed (forget the pressure that will descend on a member saying such things).

    Oh, and one more nasty consequence of the above is that once people who’ve been suckered in recruit their first person, they become complicit in the crime, and so psychologically need to justify what they’ve done to their recruit, which hardens them against coming to their senses, and strengthens the brainwashing. It’s like gangs that force members to commit crimes, so they can never leave the gang.

    Kyle, do you know enough people with “clout” on the internet, to try to mount some sort of equivalent to a PSA (Public Service Announcement) for people to beware of EN, to get enough respected internet voices to caution people to be aware that if they join, they are joining a money scheme, not a legitimate money-making program. I hate sitting by helplessly while the “beast” swindles people. Isn’t there anything we can do?

    Thanks, Kyle, for this website and this post. Truly a public service.
    I will check out Wealth Affiliate.

    • Jan Olsen says:

      Kyle did you have a response for Peter Rush’s closing questions? see below…

      “Kyle, do you know enough people with “clout” on the internet, to try to mount some sort of equivalent to a PSA (Public Service Announcement) for people to beware of EN, to get enough respected internet voices to caution people to be aware that if they join, they are joining a money scheme, not a legitimate money-making program. I hate sitting by helplessly while the “beast” swindles people. Isn’t there anything we can do?”

      Just interested?
      thanks again for your efforts
      Jan

      • Kyle says:

        I know a lot of people industry yes, but I would rather focus my efforts on helping other people out. In other words, instead of ridding the bad, I would rather invest my energies into emphasizing and building on the good. This blog is my way of getting the word out and allowing people to discuss programs and ideologies in this manner and this is the medium for this.

        There will always be people out there that are in the business of taking money…it happens within EVERY industry, not just the Internet business world. There are many ways that people can leverage the Internet to build a stable and in many cases, very lucrative business and it will always remain my focus to help folks accomplish this Jan.

    • randy says:

      You need to file a complaint with the FTC at FTC.gov, if nobody complains nothing will be done, there is no crime until someone reports it, I am a PI, I know these things

  67. Marian says:

    Just had the empower network receipt for $259.49 which I have not authorised. The email at the bottom is false. Glad I found your site to see I was not the only one.

  68. steve says:

    I bought into their program for $25 and then began to smell the rotting flesh of greed of the owners. My upline was the guy who promotes EMPOWER NETWORK UNIVERSITY and there was totally no help and a rude rub off when I requested for help. Reporting on the internet is of no use. Some one in the USA should complaint to the FBI and interpol and the owners can be crucified and cremated for good and their souls sent to hell. The owners are probably fathered outside the wedlock. Bastards.

  69. Charles Stewart says:

    Thank you Kyle for bringing clarity to this “opportunity.”

    I appreciate people like you very much.

    To your continued success,
    Charles Stewart

  70. Lisa Vargas says:

    Wow!! I’m glad I googled!! I was just curious about this because I kept getting Facebook suggestions for people who are a part of the scheme. It’s really annoying!!! I report the pages, but there just seems to be no end. It’s disappointing that they are taking advantage of people who are trying to improve themselves and their lives. I think these suggestions were triggered after looking into law of attraction pages. I think the law of attraction is very real, and it’s unfortunate that the Empower Network has come up eventually! Thank you for your review Kyle!!!!

    • Kyle says:

      That is how “those” people are making money. They rely on you joining the scheme in their downline and then they teach you to implement the same “spammy” promotional techniques like they are doing. That is how the business (if you want to call it that) model works and to make money in Empower, you have to promote Empower.

  71. Mahogany Mathews says:

    Is there any way i can get my 25.00 dollars back? i was going through with the program until the said pay 100.00 after i just paid my 25.00. the only reason i paid the 25.00 dollars was because they said thats all i needed to get started and thats not right. so im very upset and i just want them to refund my money back to card.Can someone please help me?

    • Kyle says:

      This is the “smoke and mirrors” approach that ticks off a lot of people. They say $25 per month to run a business, but that is just the start of the upsells and as you found out you need to pay anther $100 per month on top of this right away to be part of the inner circle, $19.95 per month for their affiliate program. Before you can even blink you are paying $144.95 per month. Not exactly the $25 promise given to you on their sales page. Slime ball marketing.

      You can try getting a refund through their page but you can always contact your credit card company if you have any issues with getting help with things like this. I am sorry you ran into this Mahongany and if you need any help with getting a real business up and running online in the future, I would be more than happy to help you out.

    • randy says:

      File complaints with the FTC people, it is the only way to get this shut down, FTC.gov

  72. Carol Bastida says:

    My introduction to EN was an email with the subject heading “Receipt for my authorized payment of $159.49. This was alarming since I had no memory of any such transaction. I was reluctant to even open the email, but thought I’d better see what this was all about – hoping that my antivirus program would protect my computer. The actual email gave a lengthy transaction number, but still didn’t provide actual purchased product info. There was a button called details, however, which upon clicking landed me on an Empower Network promotional site. The tactics this affiliate used to direct me to viewing the site were so underhanded and misleading that there was no way I would want such a person as a sponsor and I didn’t check out the information there. I was curious though as to whether this was a reputable business opportunity, which perhaps unfortunately had an affiliate lacking integrity, so did a search and checked out your site. Now I’m glad that I was approached in such a manner that there was no temptation to join under this individual, providing me the opportunity to investigate further. Thanks for sharing the EN information.

    • Kyle says:

      Trust me, if you think that is shady then just wait until what happens once you get inside. You are going to be belittled into investing $5,000+ into their programs and if you don’t, you will be shamed and called a wussy. That is what is really going on and you are mislead right from the get go into thinking that this program is $25 per month…when in actuality, you are going to be thrown to the sharks and will end up spending $1,000’s more once inside…that is if you want the respect of your sponsor.

  73. Kellie says:

    I’m glad I came across this. I was trying to work out what the hell they were talking about. Their videos are low quality and made me think they were shonky. Thanks for clearing the air. Now I know what I wasn’t missing out on. I didn’t plan on going ahead with it, just trying to find out what the product was. Now I know why I couldn’t find one, there is none. The perfect Pyramid Scheme that gives REAL MLM companies a name they don’t deserve.People like that should be banned from the internet.

    • Kyle says:

      It is a true sign that you may be dealing with a scam (from all my experience) if a company does not tell you exactly what you are getting when you join and what the “extra” costs will be. There are too many companies selling people on the “broke to rich” videos without letting them know what their product actually is. This should be a definite red flag!

      • Jan Olsen says:

        Wow that’s where I got stuck, in all the early hype of continuous emails. They followed me on twitter, no I have several others following me???? I couldn’t find out really what the product is either?? For me I had to watch almost two hours of emails, blogs, videos and my potential sponsor introduction was so low class it was scary before I found your site.
        I’m just glad I didn’t invest and waist my time. Do you know of any other real opportunity along these lines? If you have no online business or products to sell?
        cheers Jan

        • Kyle says:

          You are not alone. You will not get a proper explanation because people “feel bad” about what they are doing. The real premise behind it is YOU join under your sponsor, you pay money directly to them, they try to get you to buy a bunch of upsells totalling $5,000 + $140 per month (which they also get), then they try to teach you to do the same to others. Sound ethical?

          If you want to create a business online, you DO NOT need your own products to sell. There are 10,000’s of affiliate programs out there that you can leverage and MILLIONS of products that you can promote without having to ship or distribute them. This is what we teach at Wealthy Affiliate and this can be done within any niche, regardless of your interest. You can basically help people and you can earn a full time living in the process (which many people do).

  74. Friend of a Former Member says:

    Here is a letter I received from a former member of EN:
    “I’ve been a member of EN for almost 10 months now, joined at the end of 2012, right after I lost my job, and didn’t know how I would support my family. I followed everything they teach and am yet to see a dollar of profit. This article/review captures my thoughts exactly and is 100% correct. Thank God I did not have the extra money to “Go All In” because there is no way to get a refund, and even canceling the membership is a hassle. My bank ended up sending me a new VISA card, since they updated their security measures. THAT IS HOW I CANCELED!

    1. Pay $25/month for your very own WordPress Blog – when wordpress.com gives you one for FREE.
    2. Pay $100/month for EN membership – Inner Circle recordings – recorded Monday night calls.
    3. Pay $500 for the Costa Rica Intensive Video series – recordings of their workshop in Costa Rica ($2997 discounted for a “limited time”; seo, outsourcing, copywriting
    4. Pay $1000 for the 15K Formula – more videos about marketing
    5. Pay $3500 for the Master’s Course – more recorded workshops
    6. Pay $25/month for EN video hosting (?!?!)

    Basically they make their money by selling their Regional event tickets. Later you can purchase recorded versions online, like the Chicago Intensive. They also have their own store with many useless items like t-shirts, coffee mugs, cheap 3.5mm speakers and such, of course all with EN logo. For example you can buy a spiral notebook with EN cover for a measly $15.00. They also provide their own Video Hosting service. Trial is $1/14 days, then you pay yet another $25/month for Video Hosting up to 50GB. If you go over the 50GB mark you pay $0.50 for each GB you go over.
    There is a video out there of all member options. It does not show you the actual product videos, but you can see EXACTLY what the member area gives you. The video is called “waytoavoidwastingyourhardearnedmoney”, one word. I’m sure you’ll find it somewhere online. Google it!”

    I just had to share this e-mail with everyone after finding this post. Thanks to everyone who helped others save their “last” buck on another “opportunity.”

    Good luck to ALL!

    • Kyle says:

      Thanks for sharing. As anyone can see the $25 per month is just the start of the “outlay” of cash you are going to have to pay your sponsors if you want to be part of this program.

      $5,000 + $170 per month…not exactly what most people are anticipating when they join for $25.

  75. Angie says:

    Wow! Thanks so much! I have heard of EN before, but I didn’t know that David Sharpe was one of the owners. I was in his downline for another product, and spoke to him on the phone a bit. I quit because I didn’t like him and his style. Looks like my instincts were correct from what you are saying here!

  76. Sharon says:

    Hi Kyle so glad people like you are around and care..Just to let you in on something. I have these two guys sending me emails everyday on this EN. All I do is read it and wonder what are they really selling? I spoke to my family about it, however I have a very smart daughter and she was checking for me to see how true these people are. She came across an article of an Ex-EPN and he explained what’s all the hype about. I could not believe it what I was reading basically all that you have said in a nutshell. Then I came across your site wow that truly validated any doubt completely. I also read all the not so nice comments on people and feel very pleased with how you handle these people ( straight to the point with without sounding like a hater).. I’m looking for an opportunity to make money in my house not pay $25 or $100 month or even a one time payment of $5000 for me to make money that defeats the purpose. Thank you thank you and thank you. I will tell you what I’m going to do. I will reply to these guys and ask them a few questions. What are you selling? Do I have to invest if so much? Do I have to get people to join me similar to what you are asking me to do? And see what is his reply. Maybe he would call me a wussy for not clicking and joining to the 10k challenge or maybe not. One thing I’m glad I came across this information because maybe I would of been brainwashed with all their success story and got caught up with the hype. Good for you Kyle and keep doing what you are doing. One more thing you are not bashing you are merely stating the facts and honest of all your dealing. Best wishes. Ps. Will let you know how that email goes down. :)

    • Kyle says:

      I think you are likely going to get a convoluted answer. You might even hear something like “if you are not serious about making money, this business is not for you”. The reason you won’t get a straight answer is because the program itself is not to be talked about in a way that reveals what it is.

      A scheme.

      They are selling you on a blog…er hum…but really, this means they want your money to join Empower at the $25 per month level. Yes, you do get a blog but it doesn’t rank, you don’t own it and there are much better blogs out there for free.

      Ask them about the “All In” which they are going to push really heavily to you, because if they can shame you into spending $5,000 on the upsell products, they will get to take all that money from you and put it into their bank account. Then they will tell you, “to make money, you need to get other people into this program”. So really, there is no product, rather a scheme with products that serve as a smoke screen for what is really goin on.

      Report back when you get your answers, I would love to hear how “educated” they are. I know a lot of people that have “questioned” what they would be doing hit some serious resistance and in some cases were talked down upon.

      • Dan says:

        Hey Kyle – completely agree; your comments resonated with me brother. I’ve had some experience in this as well… will write more but just wanted to say I completely resonated with your comments. Thanks Dan in Orlando

  77. Sally says:

    Hi Kyle,

    I have to be completely honest with you here. After me and my husband read your review after being recruited into the Empower program and going ALL IN (have the bracelet to prove it), I was a little hurt when I initially read your review.

    Actually I was really angry at you. Not because I was mad at you, but I was mad at myself that I might have been taken for a ride again.

    For fairness, I wanted to see exactly what you are promoting on your site here and I decide to check that out as well. I wasn’t expecting much but boy can I tell you that you guys have something really special going on over there at Wealthy Affiliate.

    I am sickened that I paid money for empower after seeing the free part of your website. It is WAY better than what me and my husband just paid over 6 thousand dollars for.

    You guys have my business forever and that is just on the free starter part. I have yet to upgrade to Premium but will be doing so today. :P

    I am going to be having a long talk with my credit card company and disassociating myself from the scoundrels at EN. You have shown me the light I am glad there are some honest, good, and ethical business people like you left in this world. God bless.

    • Kyle says:

      Your honesty is very much appreciated Sally. We have been fighting an uphill battle against the many scams that are within this industry and people do get scammed and then make assumptions about the industry as whole. I am glad that you did decide to take us up on our Starter offer and realized that we do really care about helping people create REAL businesses online. People mistake opportunties for business and we teach you how to take ANY niche or passion at Wealthy Affiliate and turn it into something you can be proud of.

      Also, so sorry that you were taken for $6K by this scheme. That really sucks and I hope you can at least get some of this back. You could have been a Premium member at WA for 20 years (including full support, training, community, networking, expert help, weekly live video classes, classrooms, unlimited websites, unlimited hosting, unlimited keywords…etc) for this amount of money!!

  78. Andy says:

    I think it’s interesting that their own sign-up page has the following statement:

    “I also understand that I can choose to become an affiliate in my online back office for only $19.95/month, and when I do, I will get the ability to re-sell this high-value blogging system online to my prospects and earn 100% of the commissions!”

    An affiliate program is where you sell the product for the company and make a commission on the sale. The company does not charge for this service you do for them. You work for them and they pay you. With this scheme you are paying for the privilege of working for them. That is never a good sign.

    • Kyle says:

      Exactly, this is NOT an affiliate program. There is no product to sell to the outside world (they have to join the same scheme) and I have never been associated with an affiliate program that you had to pay $19.95 per month for.

    • Dan says:

      Hey Andy – I completely agree brother!! Dan in Orlando

  79. Annie says:

    Credibility = Respect

    Bashing a company before promoting one`s own = Disrespect

    Disrespect = No Credibility

    No Credibility = Kyle (the man who wrote this post)

    • Kyle says:

      Credibility = Helping People for 8 Years.
      Credibility = Steering people away from scams

      No Credibility = Defending programs that are a scam.
      No Credibility = The inability to articulate yourself in a way that would defend your opinion.

      Until you can honestly come to the table with a real discussion and refuting a thing that I have said, then you are actually the one with no credibility. You are part of a program that..

      (1) Charges $25 for a blog that doesn’t rank and where there superior blogs for FREE
      (2) That requires you to SELL other people into it in order to earn money from it
      (3) That uses smoke and mirrors and “belittling” practices to sell people on $5,000’s worth of info products
      (4) That charges to be part of their affiliate program (merchant account) because they can’t get approved by any credible merchants like Paypal, Mastercard, Visa or American Express
      (5) That touts “Alexa” as status for service quality and rank. This has nothing to do with rank and perhaps if you are using Alexa as a metric, you want to do a bit of research on what little data Alexa has (and how it is in no way associated with Google or ranking in SE’s).

      When you have helped people succeed online and done so in an ethical way for 8 years (and done so in a very affordable), perhaps I will give you some credibility. Until then, please do yourself a favour and stop promoting schemes to your friends. You won’t have friends for long.

  80. Anon says:

    My upline was Simon Stepsys in Empower Network. He doesn’t help one single bit, he just takes the money and ignores people.

  81. Lisa says:

    Thank you so much for all the updated information about Empower Network. I just canceled both subscriptions after being a member for 5 months and blogging daily with no sign ups or anything that they said would happen if you followed their 90 day plan.

    I also researched before I joined and was spoken to very rudely a few times from my sponsor Jon Mroz. He has no time for you unless you pay the total $5000.00 which he makes.

    It seems to me that almost all programs online you can not make money on that I have went into over the last 8 years or so. They always wind up being a scam and me losing money.

    If you have any suggestions for a Single Mom to earn a living from home that is finally a real thing for an income please let me know :)

    Have a wonderful week!

    • Kyle says:

      That is the problem I hear over and over again from folks. Unless you go “all in”, which means essentially taking money from your bank account and putting it directly into your sponsors, you are not going to get much help at all. Those on top are on top because they are taking money from those down below. I am sorry that you have been subject to this and I can tell you that there are ethical ways to earn a living online.

      I would be more than happy to help you out and show you how to get started within the online world for free Lisa. It all starts with a passion (niche) and does not require you to sell shady programs to others. A successful business within the online world (the same as the offline world) starts with a website and the ability to help someone. If you can help an audience, you can literally scale a business to as big as you want.

  82. Jessica says:

    This program is pathetic and so are the guys behind this. Not sure if you are aware Kyle but just the other day David Wood admitted to others that he cheated on his wife and got another girl pregnant.

    As a woman this disgusts me and there is nothing honorable about publicly admitting to this. I trust him even less than I did when I was in the program and I think that any female that is thinking of joining this should think twice before getting involved with cheaters like this. If he can cheat on his wife and have a kid with a random girl then he is probably going to cheat you out of your money as well.

    I am so glad I quit empower and got a refund.

  83. Chuck Freeman says:

    I was lucky to stumble accross this. In all truthfulness, there are a lot of desperate and broke people out there. I’m one of them! These EN people seem to know and understand that. I was also close to taking the bait. It’s true when you hear someone say ‘If sounds to good to be true…(U can finish it!)

    I’m certainly going to check out WA.

    Thanks Kyle!!

    • Kyle says:

      I think you will be glad you did Chuck. When a program is sold off of a “down in the dumpster and now super rich” story, then you should think twice about joining. A program should be sold based on the quality of it and that is definitely not the case with Empower. You not only saved yourself $25, but $1,000’s that you would have been sold on as soon as you walked into their door.

  84. Angela Smith says:

    EMPOWER NETWORK IS NOT A SCAM! IT HAS CHANGED MY LIFE IT’S NOT A SCAM

    • Kyle says:

      Maybe you could elaborate on how it has changed your life (besides taking money from you and teaching you how to take money from others).

  85. Johnny says:

    WOW you are really a class act. I have to agree with Megan on this one. Now to all those here before you go agreeing with this guy here let me give you the real facts. And let your own common sense kick in.

    First of all in his opening act of this blog he mentions many people are not happy who are involved with Empower Network, Wow! A BIG of a give away! What this guy here is trying to do with his sad attempt is to manipulate you into thinking that Empower Network is some kind of Scam or Ponzi scheme and what a stupid thing to say. Think about it, how many people you know who are involved with other opportunities regardless of the legitimacy of the program who are actually happy??? Well here is a BIG wake up call, about 95% in any network marketing or affiliate program people fail and a bunch of them sure tried hard but are not happy either with the results or did not have the proper guidance and many of them will go out and scream SCAM so this is bashing example No.1 by the author of this blog.

    Now he mentions that there is no real product and the product is actually you but he has failed to mention that the video tutorials itself are products and about building this business and all about mindset. And is it not a fact that every business model is different? And what’s the big deal that the product is about creating wealth by selling a system and the system itself is the product? That’s just NUTS! Is it not that every opportunity that is being promoted out there is about promoting their business model in order for you to make money regardless what their products are? Bottom line, your still selling yourself and the company or whatever it is they are offering and at the end of the day it boils down to you’re promoting whatever it is you’re promoting so you can make money right? So this whole nonsense about not having any products is purely BS. Nice try Kyle but you don’t fool the wise especially about it having all of the common attributes of it being a PYRAMID Scheme. Wow that was a good one and pretty pathetic attempt to make others believe it too.

    You complain that there is a merchant fee? Another stupid comment. What are you looking for a FREE RIDE it’s called a business expense maybe you have heard it. Yeah so what if they don’t or can’t offer PayPal in Fact PayPal is notorious for freezing people’s money and you have no control if they freeze your money for 6 months like they did with me and many of the people I know. They once froze 54 thousand dollars of my money for 6 months so good luck to that! In fact do you know the actual cost of having your own 3rd party merchant? It’s not cheap but Empower Network was smart enough to implement a merchant system where they handle all the major charges and a 20 dollars business expense to use that merchant is quite generous in my opinion regardless if it’s for charges or commissions. That’s a sweet deal.

    You mention that one of the owners is located in Costa Rica and in your opinion to avoid the FTC? Wow your really hilarious and desperate to discredit Empower Network aren’t you? You even go further to say to avoid taxes because Cost Rica is a Tax Haven. WOW WOW WOW. Just shows how very little you know about business and how to protect your money and the company from being shut down. This is actually a benefit to make sure we stay in business. In fact I think the Government is to over critical and in many cases interferes with ruining people’s lives when involving great companies and opportunities. Its great to know that his in Costa Rica. You sound like a broke bitter person to me with that comment alone. You should be given the noble prize for bashing.

    Funny how you say widespread complain about Empower Network. What company does not have complaints? Is Amway a Scam or Forever Living a Scam? One of my buddies work for their customer service call centers and according to him they get some many complaints daily you can’t even count them, LOL! Your so your hilarious. So does that mean they are a scam too?

    Then you say NO Free Trial, why is that a bad thing? Another stupid thing to say, I don’t consider that a con, In fact I feel that’s a benefit because people for the most part never take action on free trail, they do nothing when things are free because they have no vested interest so also no result, but when you invest into something there is more of a tendency you will actually take action. You also say upsell is a con?? You are kidding me right? That’s the beauty of the system something you completely missed! Obviously another desperate attempt to promote your program. The upsell is the best part of the system and creates better leverage to make money. You are aware that you show all the signs of knowing nothing about sales with your nonsense gibberish right?

    Another funny remark you said when you join you have to become a ruthless sales person? WOW WOW WOW again. In any business you do, you are selling yourself and your products so I can say the same for you. What are you doing now to promote your opportunity? Are you not doing the same thing but with a twist of being unethical and bashing Empower Network to grab the attention of others to divert them to what you are promoting? Sorry but your busted!

    What’s funny is you mentioned something very stupid. You said:

    “Their primary focus is going to be training you how to promote Empower to other people.”

    What the heck is wrong with you and what is the problem with that? Of course just like any business you join they teach you to do the same thing, HELLO!!!

    This blog is such comedy! There is just so many things you said that are all wrong and if I went on this would become a book or novel.

    Don’t let this guy fool you! And just so everyone knows, in any business there are people with good and ethical practices and bad ones too so my best advice if you are looking into Empower Network it’s probably one of the best and easiest way to build a solid residual income with one of the best wealth system out there in the industry of sales but then again find a good sponsor with a good support group and you will do great. Don’t listen to Program basher like Kyle. His main objective here is not to give an honest review but to bash Empower Network in hopes he can fool you to join his slow moving opportunity which most likely his not making any money by promoting it anyways.

    I’m not part of Empower Network but I have many friends who are and doing extremely well. So unlike Kyle the blogger here I know the real facts. DON’T LET HIM FOOL YOU. Empower Network is a legitimate and great opportunity when teamed up with the right ethical sponsor and team.

    I wish You all the best. Integrity is Everything!

    • Kyle says:

      Hey Johnny,

      They have really sucked you deep into the system. I feel for you, I defend careless purchases I make sometimes as well (I defended Samsung phones for the longest time). I want to set some things you said straight though because you are totally off base and you are living in a delusional world…kind of like all of the others that are so “pro empower”.

      Here are some things that you have stated with my responses…

      Well here is a BIG wake up call, about 95% in any network marketing or affiliate program people fail and a bunch of them sure tried hard but are not happy either with the result..

      Empower is neither of these. Network Marketing programs have a product that you can sell to the public. You don’t have a product you can sell to the public, in order to buy the so called products, you have to be part of the scheme itself. It is basically a facade for what it really is, a borderline pyramid scheme. The people within empower only promote the scheme to others. If you don’t, then you are not going to make any money.

      Also, it isn’t affiliate marketing either. You don’t have to pay to be part of affiliate programs. If it isn’t network marketing and it isn’t affiliate marketing, what is it? I will leave that up to the readers.

      Common attributes of it being a PYRAMID Scheme. Wow that was a good one and pretty pathetic attempt to make others believe it too.

      So do you not have an upline sponsor? Are you required to get a downline under you that PAY you in order to earn money? Do you rely solely on getting people to join under you and them buying the products within Empower to make money. Well then you are definitely working within a business that is the shape of a pyramid. Not sure what you would want to refer to it as, but you honestly don’t think you are running a REAL business do you?

      You complain that there is a merchant fee? Another stupid comment. What are you looking for a FREE RIDE it’s called a business expense maybe you have heard it.

      Actually yes, I know exactly what a merchant account is and there is not an affiliate program in the world that requires you to have one to promote them. I also run a business that is “above the board” meaning I can actually get merchant accounts with companies like Mastercard, Visa and Amex…unfortunately those kinds of merchant accounts would never touch a program like Empower because it resembles a pyramid. Don’t believe me? Then you should try getting a Paypal account to operate your Empower Network “business” from. Have fun with that!

      You mention that one of the owners is located in Costa Rica and in your opinion to avoid the FTC?

      Actually I didn’t say that. I said that one of the owners lives there…and reaps some of the tax benefits from living their (assuming they have a decent accountant). I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, there are lots of folks that run operations out of the US and create tax breaks through foreign entities.

      What company does not have complaints? Is Amway a Scam or Forever Living a Scam?

      Yeah, maybe they are borderline scams as well. Overpriced products and piggybacking desperate people to promote their products to unsuspecting folks. Sound familiar? Also, Amway at least has a product that you can sell to people that are not part of Amway…unlike, well…uh…Empower.

      Then you say NO Free Trial, why is that a bad thing?

      Because if there was a free trial nobody would ever pay. They are getting a low grade blog that cannot be used to promote anything other than Empower Network. These “viral blogs” are inferior to any of the free blogging platforms that are FREE. Yes, free. But again, you are trying to promote this fake gold to people for $25 per month and they don’t even own the content or the site. And you call yourself ethical? There is nothing remotely ethical about that.

      You also say upsell is a con?? You are kidding me right? That’s the beauty of the system something you completely missed!

      The only beautiful thing about the Upsell is that you earn money if someone mistaking pays for the $5,000 in upsells (after you shove this down their throat). I can tell you that $5,000 can go A LOT further online than this, in fact the product that I am recommending you could get at 20 year education for this price. How can you even compare that. Don’t you feel like a fraud getting people to buy this? I know I would and I know that anyone with a bone of ethics would as well.

      You said: “Their primary focus is going to be training you how to promote Empower to other people.” What the heck is wrong with you and what is the problem with that?

      You said it. That is what is Pryamid is. The only way to earn money through a pyramid is promoting the scheme to others. Thanks for clarifying this for everyone.

      I’m not part of Empower Network but I have many friends who are and doing extremely well.

      Seriously, you are not part of Empower? OK. If my friend stepped in dog crap I would clean off his shoes and maybe you shouldn’t either…but I truly think you are the one that stepped on the flaming bag at your doorstep and you are still trying to blame your stupidity on others. When you are ready to admit what you do is NOT a business and that the premise of Empower network is promoting Empower Network to others…and nothing else, then you are going to be ready to move onto a real opportunity.

      I wish you all the best and thank you for stopping by.

      • Dustin says:

        Hey, I felt the need to pipe in here.

        Just so you know there are actual “products” You DO NOT Have to be an affiliate to purchase any of the training products and you can buy the products as you choose and in any order.

        I actually have plenty of real customers, who bought the products to teach themselves how to market online. Doctors,Lawyers, Small Business Owners, All sorts. I have some that bought all the proudcts and some that bought only the ones i reccomended based on their needs and interests.

        also if you check the stats… we have a 60% to 40% split from affiliates to customers and the number gets better every day.

        We are also launching a new platform separate from wordpress that includes 2 button blogging,Unlimited custom mapped domains, a full access mobile app integrated (and all other kinds of funness)… ohh and its still going to be $25 for all that product… the company spent $4million+ on that product..

        As far as an income opportunity and a personal development platform there is no equal…

        We as leaders are taught not to be hand holders.. i will give all the advice i can to my team and if its in the training i will direct them to a specific product.. if not i will GIVE them the correct resource and expect them to take action.. my time is valuable..

        my team also built a separate website and training platform on our own dime.. we also offer pre-set paid traffic soulutions, Personal Business assistants that will coach your members and handle up-sells if you choose to have them do that.. we also developed tons of free campaigns and sales funnels..

        I cant wait to see your response and if you like you can call me @ 765-271-6439 or email me at the email provided above! Have a great day and i do hope you earn and help all the people that you want, need and deserve in your life. I am here to serve people and help as many as i can live the life they deserve.

        • Kyle says:

          I actually have plenty of real customers, who bought the products to teach themselves how to market online. Doctors,Lawyers, Small Business Owners, All sorts. I have some that bought all the proudcts and some that bought only the ones i reccomended based on their needs and interests.

          Did they have to join the “scheme” itself in order to buy the products. As in the $25 per month blog. The inner circle. The affiliate program. The overpriced, high ticket info products. Your answer is yes. They have to be within Empower Network to buy the products within it.

          Did you know there are much better alternatives out there for a fraction of the price. Place that people will get a real education, much better websites, and an education on how to promote any business online? You probably don’t care because you are only focused on promoting Empower Network because that is your ONLY path to earn money, suck other people into this scheme.

          We are also launching a new platform separate from wordpress that includes 2 button blogging,Unlimited custom mapped domains, a full access mobile app integrated (and all other kinds of funness)… ohh and its still going to be $25 for all that product… the company spent $4million+ on that product..

          2 button blogging has been around for ages. It is called WordPress and it is used by 18% of the world. Why? Because it is the best platform in the world and it is actually ONE BUTTON blogging. I am not sure where this extra click comes in, but I would rather click one button to publish my content. There are upsells within the hosting packages that you have failed to mention like video hosting…

          And of course, your goal is to suck people in by offering them a $25 blog and then quickly changing gears and getting them to buy all of the other products within EN. Why? Because that is how YOU get paid. You want people to buy these overpriced programs just so you can fill your coffers.

          As far as an income opportunity and a personal development platform there is no equal… We as leaders are taught not to be hand holders..

          You said it. People join and unless they pay a lot of money (ie. earn you money), you are not willing to help nor are you qualified to help because they only way you are earning money is by forcing people to buy into the program itself. You are not interested in helping people because you want to. Also many of the “sponsors” are selling expensive programs on top of the ones offered at Empower. I have heard of several folks now losing over $10,000 to this program. If that is something to be proud of and something that you want to put your name behind, then you are in the right place. I just hope people know what your true intentions area.

        • Carol says:

          You people trying to show us the “light” and convince us that EN is a worthwhile community join are seriously entertaining. Not ONE person in EN has ever extended a hand (and by that I do not mean HOLD my hand and do any work for me) or offered any help in any way to me, other than to tell me I need to “go all in”, that I am not a serious person who wants good things for my family. You all are a bunch of bullies and are brain washed. Good luck to you and no thank you to the kool aid.

    • Andy says:

      Is this a good example of how Empower participants don’t berate or shame other?

      You say you are not a part of Empower Network but you have friends who are. That doesn’t qualify you to know the real facts. That qualifies you to know how they tried to sell you on it. People who believe what anything someone says without research or proof are the reason ponzi schemes work in the first place. Thanks for being an example.

    • James says:

      This guy lost me in the first paragraph of his diatribe with the plethora of grammar, spelling, and syntax errors. I’ve found this to be true on all of Empower’s sales pages and marketing missives.

      Since you guys are raking in the cash while paying no US taxes, why don’t you hire a competent proofreader; or at least have your attorney look over the words you attempt to compose.

  86. Megan Brooks says:

    It is NOT a scam. Apparently you haven’t researched that much. You must have come in contact with ugly sales people. I am sorry to hear that. Not everybody is like that in this company. And you don’t have to buy all the products to become successful. And there IS a product. Like I said before, this just shows you have not done enough research. You are just promoting YOUR business you part of and BASHING others. I’d say that is bad marketing. Just wanted to sum up this nonsense about what I am reading on here. Get on it Buddy.

    • Kyle says:

      No, this is a review of the ACTUAL scheme. I am not referring to the shameless promotions going on for this program, I am referring to the fact that the scheme is all about promoting the scheme to unsuspecting folks. Are you not doing the same thing Megan? Are you not promoting Empower Networks “blog” to others for $25 per month…knowing deep down inside that there are $5,000+ in products that you WANT people to join after they get in to you can get paid? I hope you are not trying to promote this to your friends because you may not have friends for long if you take money from them like this…

      And these blogs don’t rank and there are SUPERIOR blogging systems and website that you can get for free…and that are not tied to only promoting Empower Network. Say I really loved “dog training”, there is no way you can promote this within a templated website promoting Empower Network.

      Are you promoting other products or are you promoting EN to others? I think the answer is probably yes. In order to make money from the scheme, you have to get others to join the scheme and then they have to get others to join under them. The vicious cycle continues.

      • Andy says:

        Megan’s online presence is limited to the Empower Network and facebook friends promoting the Empower Network.

        • Kyle says:

          Exactly Andy. When you hang out with a bunch of people that all think they are doing the “right” thing, then that is all she is probably going to know. You can only feel sorry for people like this because they really do not have an idea of what they are part of and what there really is out there (that is actually legitimate).

    • Dan says:

      Hey Megan, I was sorta buying into this whole tear down EN thing since sooo many people were saying the same thing…so this is NOT your experience then? Curious, thanks, Danny in Orlando FL

  87. Carol says:

    Thanks Kyle for this very informative and money/time saving post. I have been pounded with emails to join EN for the last year to six months and I was on the fence quite a few times with it and an inner voice just kept telling me something wasn’t right.
    A few people whom I thought were intelligent, honest and wanted to truly help others have been “all in” with empower network for some time. I sent them an email with valid concerns and links to this review and also Ian’s review at No BS and asked them to explain these many red flags. I was ignored by a few and the others told me that I was not serious about success, my mindset was wrong and I was unteachable. What?? Really?? Sad that so many stand behind a system like this and use name calling as a way to make a living.

    No thanks.

    Their idea of an “empowering” call in is 2,000 people yelling “Get All In!” and nothing else.

    • Kyle says:

      That is exactly it Carol. If you question the people within Empower on what they are actually doing, they will either ignore you or belittle you. The reason they are doing this is because they cannot explain the program other than, it will empower you and change your life. But how?

      If you dig in and get to the bottom of what is going on, these “friends” that are trying to promote EN to you are only concerned about you joining through them and them taking money directly from your bank account and putting it into theirs (by going all in).

  88. Rita Lees says:

    Hallo

    I have just been scammed by these people. I paid my first 25 dollars yesterday and was now hoping to see this blog they are talking about. Needless to say none of my mails to them got answered as far. My big issue now is they say it is 25 dollars per month. So they are going to continuously take 25 dollars out of my credit card very month? How do I stop this because I know they won’t if I asked them.

    Rita

    • Kyle says:

      You should be able to cancel your membership directly from their website. If you cannot, then you should escalate with your credit card because that is unethical business conduct. Good luck and if you do need a hand setting up a real business and want to build a REAL website (in any niche), then let me know.

  89. Steve says:

    You claim to have trained 10000 over 8 years perhaps you would be proud enough to display their average earnings? EN has full disclosure on each page.

    • Kyle says:

      Great question Steve and I have a very concise answer for you.

      In Empower Network, you are part of a scheme. Those controlling the scheme and the “herd” that is involved, can also determine what each and every person earn within that given program. You promote EN just like everyone else in the program. You are a notch in the scheme and you are a controlled entity (they know exactly how much money you are making). Therefore, they can report exactly what people are making within the scheme.

      At Wealthy Affiliate, we offer an education. We teach people how to properly create a business online and like any other education platform, what “becomes” of the people that get an education through you is really dependent. Like those that go to Harvard, some people go on to work at a coffee shop (hopefully not though), whereas others become owners of very successful, million dollar corporations. The EXACT same thing happens and WA and we in no way expect others to “report” their success.

      People earn anywhere from $0 to MILLIONS, but again, we don’t sell based on “claims”, we sell based on that we offer a quality service. Someone could be very successful and we would never know, which is totally cool with us. Those that “brag” about their success is about as low as you can go in the business world (unless again, you are part of a “scheme” that relies on that).

      Therefore we make no claims, our business is not based on “gloating” about success, rather teaching business and providing the people with the tools, the services, and the websites, the platforms, the training, the network and the help.

      • Pam says:

        So….does that mean that your company does not have an average income site?

        • Kyle says:

          We are an education platform and a service. We don’t guarantee income and we don’t sell our service based on income claims. People are not required to share their earnings within WA, it is like going to Harvard and to being expected to report back and tell others how much you make. Only schemes have to report income and companies that sell their service based on “unrealistic claims” like Empower.

          We are an education platform and a service that teaches REAL business. Thank you for your concerns.

          • carl says:

            Kyle you are talking around the question. If you are going to slam a company that does have people who are making great money, and people who are not making any money by all the people that I see on this blog complaining they lost money. Empower does not guarantee income but they do let you know what you can have with a little hard work, so if you are running a business which you are and people are paying you for your upgraded package and you are not giving them everything for FREE that they get for your upgraded package then YES you should have some results to to post SIR!! Because if you care as much as you say why charge at all for it SIR!! I know, because in the end its still about making money sir!! You said it best some will take what you learn and make money and some won’t, so why should it be any different with EN!!

          • Kyle says:

            It is not all about making money, if that was the case “robbing banks” would be a sound business model. Just because there are people making money within a program, does not mean it is a good program Carl. Take a look at ZeekRewards. This program was recently shut down by the SEC and yes there were lots of people making A LOT of money within it, much more than Empower. Was it deemed legit because people were making money? NO. Because they were taking money from others to make that money.

            The problem with what you are doing is that you are taking money from folks and are REQUIRED to take money from folks in your downline. You are not selling them a service, you are selling them into the system. In order for them to recoup their money, they have to sell others into the system and so on. Yes, some will make money sure…but those few that are truly WINNING are the result of lots of people LOSING.

  90. robin landers says:

    You are so right about them. Add Scott Raley to your list of scammers, he totally duped me out of my money.

  91. Michael Dantzie (Home business dad) says:

    Best “review” of Empowernetwork. I joined for maybe two weeks. Alarm bells did cross my mind when I received an email to join for free, but then a sales page to join for a monthly price to BE AN AFFILIATE, I was like….PAY TO PROMOTE PRODUCTS…..that doesn’t make any sense, but I ignored the warning for the prospect of the opportunity of making money. Then I got more ANNOYED a the UPSELLS, I think there were like 4 UPSELLS, amounting to over $5,000 JUST TO start making money ONLINE!!!!!! And all you get is a BLOG, some info products THAT YOU HAVE TO PROMOTE YOURSELF!!!!! this is crazy. If you have that money to spend I would pay to be coached 1&1 PERSONAL COACHING, there are well known internet marketers who will actually give you their personal time to aid you set up a reputable, legit business online.

    I left EPN when I started reading the first pdf and it said “YOU MAY START MAKING MONEY IN MONTH 6″ emmmmm!!!! All the sales pages, the CEO’s video that draws you in with his story of living in his car with his laptop to make money (yea right……like he was successful over night) gives the impression you can make QUICK MONEY!!!!! Although many IM sales pages ALWAYS GIVE THIS IDEA, its just not the case….there is no such thing as quick money for $27-$97…it takes hard work, commitment and a clear strategy and focus.

    Their approach is not cool at all, its very belittling and it boarders bullying you into making a decision. A good opportunity doesn’t need such tactics.

    I’m annoyed that it seems many are making big bucks in EPN and yet its a massive scam. Making money with a scam, doesn’t make it a legit opportunity, many make hundreds of thousands in selling illegal drugs, doesn’t make it a GOOD OPPORTUNITY (“,) I hope it ALL CRUMBLES!!!! because many are being fooled!!!

    What’s with the wearing of sandals and shorts all the time on stage or no foot wear at all in any of his presentations…..he is making millions, but this seems so not professional, a personal negative for me.

    Thanks for the article, hope MANY MANY MANY MORE read and NEVER join Empower Network. A complete and utter scam!

    • Kyle says:

      That is where a lot of people really lose their shirts Michael. They are told on the outside that it is only going to be $25 per month to start their business online, then as soon as they get in the door they are thrown into the “spin cycle” of upsells…

      First the $19.95 per month for the affiliate program access…

      Then the $100 extra per month for the inner circle audios…

      Then the over $5,000 in one time payment courses…

      And worst of all, they are shamed and in many cases, belittled if they don’t go “all in” (which means buying all of this stuff). That is complete smoke and mirrors and in my opinion and the millions of others that operate ethical businesses, this shows a complete disdain for ethics.

      • Paul Ramsden says:

        Sorry but this is total rubbish. I have not been pressured in any way to buy the higher level products. In fact my sponsor told me that rather than spending money on those products straight away I should use my money for lead generation. I have been reading through what you say and it is very hate filled. Yes there are some bad people out there that don’t look after their people. Most of us aren’t like that. I help out everyone that I sign up. All you are doing is bashing EN in order to get people to buy your own product/service. It is a really low level of marketing and smacks of desperation. I wouldn’t join a scheme and work with someone who would stoop so low

        • Kyle says:

          Actually Paul, the reason you wouldn’t work with us is because you are into schemes, not a real business. You DO NOT own a business at Empower, you are pushing the very same scheme you are involved with upon unsuspecting folks. You should take a real look into what you are actually part of (without all the brainwashing that has been done to you) and realize what you are actually promoting.

          You are promoting the ability to promote the same thing you are promoting.

          You are not a niche specialist…you have a website (I see), but it appears that you don’t have adequate training off the ground. If you owned a product that was far superior to another product (that you knew was ripping others off), wouldn’t you let people know about your product? That is the situation I am in. I guess there are many things that I could promote that are better than Empower and I do recommend other products on my website, but obviously I am going to let people know about what I think (and 10,000’s of others think) is the best service out there.

          Before you call someone out that is truly trying to help others, you need to look at what you are doing and seriously think about whether or not it is you that is the scam. Here are some things that you are doing within Empower:

          -Promoting blogs that don’t ranked and touting alexa as being a ranking indicator (which has nothing to do with rank)
          -Trying to get people to go “all in”, which we all know means you taking that money and putting it directly in your pocket
          -Getting other people to do this exact same thing to others. If it wasn’t unethical the first time around, it definitely is the 2nd..

          I do wish you all the best, but I do think you have lost your way “thinking” that empower is a business, it is not. It’s a scheme.

          I guess I will continue “stooping” low and offering people help to create a real business online at a much more affordable cost than you are selling a dream to people for. In fact, what I have recommended people try for free they would be paying $1,000’s from you for. Now who is the one that is really stooping low?

  92. Harry says:

    I totally agree with you that EN is a scam. But it’s a red flag for me to bash another company in order to promote your own stuff. Think about that. I personally wouldn’t join the program that you’re promoting.

    • Kyle says:

      Think of this.

      If you had a nice brand new pair of high performance runners that you were offering people for free and your neighbour was trying to sell dirty, old runners for $5,000…would you not tell people about what you had to offer them to save them a lot of time and money? That is the position I am in here.

      Go ahead and join whatever you like, but there is an underlying reason why I do make a recommendation within this thread to other folks. I have a way they can get 2 free websites, the ability to promote any passion they want, real training that works, real support, and a community that cares…for absolutely no cost. I am sure you would do the same if you were in my position, it would be unethical not to.

    • Michael Dantzie (Home business dad) says:

      Its not a red flag if the opportunity you present is GENUINE. People do this all the time. Your own parents will “advise” against something they know will only bring harm and then say “why don’t you do this instead”. I can understand your point if your saying this because maybe the owner of this blog will get paid down the line with people joining them, but that doesn’t make it “wrong”. If I had a GENUINE OPPORTUNITY to make people money with good training, I WOULD CERTAINLY PIGGY BACK OFF ALL THE SCAMS, and expose them and then present my opportunity, because the traffic that comes here IS LOOKING FOR A GENUINE OPPORTUNITY. An article like this would generate questions like “Where can I got to learn or start a genuine online business?”. This would pose the author of this blog two options, 1. Promote someone’s else’s info product (coaching etc) or his own, providing NO SOLUTION after you’ve torn down another, makes less sense, and that would be “wrong”, it would only label you as negative and one who complains. Better you expose false information and then present an alternative for those looking for make money online, as its not nice spending so much money, that most of us here have done. Most of us didn’t have that money to spend initially.

      More needs to be written like this. :)

      In fact I have an idea to write a report and do a video series of how NOT TO GET SCAMMED with Internet Marketing, because like any business there are people there to SCAM PEOPLE, and this article shows me, that MANY NEED TO KNOW, AND WANT TO KNOW THE GENUINE FROM THE FALSE. Michael Dantzie, a.k.a “The Home Business Dad”

      • Kyle says:

        I agree with you Michael. It is doing the public a service when you offer something that is FREE that is superior to something that they are about to pay $150 per month for + $5,000 in additional upsells. The only people that would complain about this are the people within Empower that knowingly are frustrated because they are essentially taking money directly from unsuspecting folks and putting it directly into their pockets.

  93. Ted Veloce says:

    I agree that Empower Network as it is now is a scam. $25 for a Free Word Press Blog is a scam, no doubt. But in one month, they will be unveiling their new ENV 2.0. It will blow the world away. People will sign up just to be customers. The Dave’s are geniuses. Empower Network will be here forever. No one can shut them down after ENV 2.0. No one!

    • Kyle says:

      ENV2 will not blow the world away. It sounds like they have put the smoke and mirrors out to anyone that is part of their “following”, however there are much better blogging platforms out there that are yes, free (that are still far superior to ENV2)….companies that have invested BILLIONS into their platform.

  94. Kimberley says:

    Good God…
    Almost joined… Something just didn’t feel quite right about this whole thing, and the person that told me about it just made it sound too good too be true.
    Thank you for sharing your wisdom and knowledge with us.
    Always trust your gut feeling
    Thank you, Kimberley

  95. Don't Be Wussy says:

    First off I’d just like to point out your clever email capture technique you use to gather contacts and market your own stuff. I’ll have to use that one some time.

    Oh yea and piggy backing traffic from the “empower network” keyword…

    Very savvy indeed.

    So let’s just dive in the products that EN does have.

    Let’s start with the blog. First off let me say that yes, you CAN in fact get a free wordpress blog. That’s a fact. but for $25 dollars, you are allowed in a network that

    1. Has an alexa ranking of 412 overall, 112 in the US as of this comment.
    This means that when you post on this network, search engines take that into account as they rank your content.

    2. It comes fully optimized for you to promote the empower network BUT there are options in the wordpress dashboard for you to put up your own customized banner, and advertising widgets for you to place on the side of your blog. So you can totally take down all things “empower” off your blog (not advised).

    AND…

    3. YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE AN AFFILIATE FOR EMPOWER NETWORK!!!!!

    So if you choose to be just a customer, you don’t have those to worry about pesky merchant fees so you can forget about paying $20.

    You know…

    The merchant fee you inevitably have to acquire if you decide to sell things online.

    You do have the option to just be a customer of the blog and use the power of the 112 alexa rank to rank for whatever keywords you want. I’d say that’s worth a little more than $25 dollars.

    Example Time:

    So let’s your just a customer of EN and you own a dog treat business. Your trying to rank for the keyword phrase “organic dog treat recipes”. You use your brand new EN blog to post an article and it feels good.

    When your blog is indexed and has been crawled, the search engines will take into account the 112 ranking you hold and proceed to rank your website accordingly

    So if for instants me and our internet hero Kyle decided to write a post that was exactly the same, had the same keywords, and we used the same seo tactics.

    Kyle’s overall site rank is 66,629 and 13,012 in the US.
    My site rank is 412 overall, 112 in the US.

    Who would win?

    Kyle?

    Would you like to answer that?

    I’ll wait before moving on to the other products ;)

    • Kyle says:

      I have no problem responding to you and it is really unfortunate that you are so misinformed, obviously they are still teaching you false information for their own benefit over there.

      First, you said…

      1. Has an alexa ranking of 412 overall, 112 in the US as of this comment.
      This means that when you post on this network, search engines take that into account as they rank your content.

      Actually, this is 100% incorrect. Search engines do not use Alexa rank and Alexa does not even have accurate traffic data. Your are being totally mislead by whoever is teaching you this absolutely FALSE information. Perhaps if you are relying on a teacher for this information, you may want to seek out a new teacher. I have written an explanation how Alexa works if you want to comprehend how they get your data.

      I hope you are not selling people on the idea that Empower blogs rank because of their Alexa rank, that is very misleading and dishonest.

      2. It comes fully optimized for you to promote the empower network BUT there are options in the wordpress dashboard for you to put up your own customized banner, and advertising widgets for you to place on the side of your blog. So you can totally take down all things “empower” off your blog (not advised).

      You cannot effectively promote a dieting product on a website that is targeted to promote “Empower Network”. This simply does not work and if you knew the most appropriate way to market through “relevance”, you would know that the idea of doing this would be totally ridiculous. You said it yourself, it is “not advised” to promote anything other than empower on your blog and this shows the true colors of what the program is. It is a scheme to promote others into the very same scheme. You can get much better, more powerful, and more customizable blogs elsewhere for free.

      112 alexa rank to rank for whatever keywords you want. I’d say that’s worth a little more than $25 dollars.

      Actually, it is common knowledge that Google has determined EN blogs and the EN.com domain to be spam and they have actually de-ranked many of the PAID blogs as a result. In fact, free blogs are much more likely to rank better than the $25 per month EN blogs and you have much more creative control and you could promote whatever you want. Again, an Alexa of 112 is completely meaningless to Google and they don’t use a bit of Alexa data to rank websites…because Google has REAL data.

      Kyle’s overall site rank is 66,629 and 13,012 in the US.
      My site rank is 412 overall, 112 in the US.

      And this is exactly my point, I outrank you because I understand and teach others PROPER business online and you are being taught by folks that are blowing smoke (and misinformation up your rear. But in the end if this is about how is part of the biggest scheme, I suppose you WIN.

      I wish you all the best and hope for your sake that you will come to your senses one day.

      • Nial says:

        Well… Guess what? ‘websites’ are not ranked in Google – Pages are.

        But if you still cant see that have a look where blogger is ranked on Alexa as of the date of this posting.

        #12… Why would someone pay $25 for a blog with EN when you could ‘get a higher Alexa ranked site for free’?

        • Kyle says:

          Absolutely Nial and WordPress.com is #20 in Alexa, also free and you are right, pages are what rank in Google. Again though, Alexa has nothing to do with rank and you can get much superior websites than you can within EN for free.

  96. Anna says:

    thank you Kyle for saving my butt from a heap of trouble. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
    God Bless you!
    and if i havent mentioned it yet, THANK YOU!!!

    when i send this article to one of the EN guys who was very aggressively trying to get me to sign up and said i’m just doing my due diligence and research he said that my due diligence is ineffective and superficial…
    and that i’m very inexperienced and stubborn.. and i don’t listen.
    not someone i want to learn from.

    THANK YOU again Kyle!
    he demonstrated the exact point you were making in this article.

    • Kyle says:

      Of course, they don’t want you to do your due diligence because you will quickly realize what they are trying to sell you is inferior to what is available to you for absolutely free. Unfortunately, the only way they can make money is by sucking you into the program and fortunately for you, you didn’t fall for it Anna.

  97. scammersmustrot says:

    Kyle, does your system offer a free blog with all the bells and whistles the empower scam has with wordpress, ie ability for adding plugins? Is there ever a cost?

    As for the empower scam, it cracks me up how they claim someone homeless got rich using their bs. Who ya crappin?

    They don’t bother to tell ya you need to pump in ridiculous amounts of money. EN sucks and needs to be shut down!

    • Kyle says:

      Yes, our system offers TWO free blogs with all the bells and whistles of WordPress (and the ability to promote whatever you like). You can read the comparison here.

      And yes, any program that needs to sell people on a “story” rather than the actual quality and benefits of the program should set off immediate red flags.

  98. Phil says:

    Hi Kyle, I just joined Empower Network 8/19/2013 and paid the $25 and $19 Plus $1,500 for a Mentor to help me start making money faster. Then I came across this site. I now would like to Quit EM Is there any way I can get my Money back?

    • Kyle says:

      You will have to contact their support and your sponsor if you want a refund for you purchase. I believe in a the worst case scenario (if you don’t get one), you could contact your credit card company.

    • Kayla says:

      You know what I think is shameless? Bashing another company in order to promote your own, like what you are doing here. Therefore, I can’t give any credibility to this report.

      • Kyle says:

        When you have two products and one is FREE and offers WAY more than the other, how is that consider bashing. It is a comparison and unfortunately it sounds like you are within and promoting a program that is overcharging people for a service (in fact, to the tune of $1,000’s) from something that is readily free out there. I wish you all the best and hope one day you can come to the realization that what you are doing is actually doing people a disservice.

  99. Caped Crusader says:

    Kyle, before I spent my money I actually did research on Empower Network. 1. It is a Delaware based LLC not in Costa Rica. 2. They have customers who just use the blog and are not all affiliates. 3. They have a three day money back guarantee (I know I tested it and got my money back). 4. They are launching their own proprietary blog and getting rid of wordpress!). 5. Merchant Accounts – as with all Network Marketing companies they started with a wallet deal but now get their merchant accounts processed by Woodforest Bank, the same bank Walmart has in their stores!

    I went to their event in Denver and these guys concentrate more on personal self development and less on buying stuff. They didn’t shamelessly hock stuff as I have seen with Tony Robbins or other network marketing companies.

    While they are not perfect they talk alot about personal breakthroughs and stories. I think that the company is pretty good for being just over a year old and joined again after finding out more info.

    Thanks for the vine, Kyle.

    • Kyle says:

      1. It is a Delaware based LLC not in Costa Rica.

      Yes, I do realize they are not based in Costa Rica. One of the founders, David Wood resides there (or did at some point during is tenure at Empower). There is actually many financial benefits to becoming a non-resident of a country like the US and moving a component of the taxable entity to a tax haven such as Costa Rica.

      2. They have customers who just use the blog and are not all affiliates.

      I have to have someone come to me that uses their blog for anything other than promoting Empower to other people. I have yet to hear about anyone making money promoting anything other than Empower either. Perhaps you could enlighten me with some examples of people that are in the scheme yet are not promoting the scheme.

      The blogs are definitely geared towards promoting Empower Network and it would be quite a poor example of website development and marketing if you tried to promote anything else on it (it would be a highly ineffective attempt to say the least).

      3. They have a three day money back guarantee (I know I tested it and got my money back).

      So you did get you money back. Sounds like you made the right decision. A 3 day money back guarantee…that is ridiculous.

      4. They are launching their own proprietary blog and getting rid of wordpress!).

      The poor people that are going to have to use this proprietary blogging software.

      5. Merchant Accounts – as with all Network Marketing companies they started with a wallet deal but now get their merchant accounts processed by Woodforest Bank, the same bank Walmart has in their stores!

      That is flat out foolery. Walmart has merchant accounts with credit card companies and so does every other affiliate network/program I have ever been involved with. This is not an affiliate program, it is a scheme. Affiliate programs DO NOT charge their affiliates $19.95 per month just so they can get paid.

      The reason they don’t use a company like Paypal or have direct accounts with merchants like MasterCard or Visa is because there is no way a legit merchant would touch company architecture that is set up like EN is.

      They didn’t shamelessly hock stuff….

      Calling people wussies if they are not “all in” is not a shameless promotion? Using the stories of the 0.275% of people that make over $1,000 on stage to get the other folks within the audience excited about the massive “potential” is ethical? If this is the case, then this is the program for you. It sounds like you will fit right in over there and it sounds like you are going to be just like the “rest” of the crowd, your way of making money is sucking other people in the EN scheme…because that is well, the only way to make money with it.

      I do wish you all the best in whatever endeavours you are part of in the future.

      • philip johnson says:

        I will say you just ripped him apart.I used to be apart of empower network and I taught myself everything in the 15K formula from searching online for SEO and Backlinking tactics.Even learning PPC for free.I didn’t even use their blogging platform I made my own website with hosting.Who runs a business online with someone else name on it.Needless to say i’ve been able to rank for first place in google for 1,000 and 2,000 monthly search keywords.The only benefits to the empower network is if you can rope people into the process so you can make residual income.To make your own money with an online business get people to subscribe to your products for a monthly membership and keep updating it.

        • Kyle says:

          You nailed it when you said “the only benefits to the empower network is if you can rope people into the process”. That is the business and that is what you are naturally forced into doing when you join Empower. The way to make money on EN is the promote EN to others. Outside of that, there is very little you can do (although they will try to tell you otherwise, yet they all promote the same thing to you, Empower!).

          • Becky says:

            Thank you for this review, I’ve been looking at it to promote my product but all I see is people recruiting to recruit to en. I want to recruit to my business that had an actual product.

          • Kyle says:

            Well there are many ways you can do this and you should definitely consider affiliate marketing, which is taught in great detail within Wealthy Affiliate (within any niche). Within there I will be able to help you with the promotion of your product or service and you will be able to connect with me directly.

  100. Ciara says:

    I know many folks who are in empower and tried to recruit me *no thanks* I heard, after it’s all said and done, you’ll shell out over $5000 total for their products. I started out with MCA, now I’m in WakeUpNow or WUN. It’s funny now that a lot of people with EN are moving away from it already searching for other opportunities. It could be because the fact that over 99% of people within EN make less than $1,000 (with most of them spending much more than this on the products within the program). To me, this should set of the sensors.

    • Kyle says:

      Yeah, people tend to float from one scheme like this to the next. It sounds like you are doing the same thing unfortunately and I do hope that you do find a legitimate program you stick with. I truly believe that regardless of the path that you take, you need to give any REAL opportunity adequate time to achieve success.

      Too many of us are sold on the idea of INSTANT success. Not true, not a reality and I have yet to met someone that has created success in an instant. It will take hard work and effort and if you apply yourself, learn the right way to earn money online, and take consistent action, you can achieve success.

  101. mark says:

    I have people pushing this on facebook so i googled “empower network”
    How funny that this page comes up before the actual “empower network” site. Their page rank must be great….NOT

    • Kyle says:

      They sell their initial viral blogging system on the fact that they have a high Alexa ranking. The entire community there has been fooled into thinking Alexa has something to do with the SEO success or viability of a website and then try to sell others on their low grade blogging platform (basically a skin over a much superior WordPress blogging system).

      I think you conclusively have been able to determine the quality of the product by a simple “search” Mark.

  102. TheOmegaCommentator says:

    I’m thinking of buying it to see what they actually teach, so I can make a review as well. From what I’ve read, from people not promoting the product itself, they all say the same thing: the empower network sells products on how to promote its products! ha! What a product! But being that I always want to join or buy a product before I comment on it, I’ll pay the $25 starter fee.

    I was thinking that the empower network may be like amway in some sense. For example, one can make a business in amway in 3 different ways: selling amway products, selling your own products on how to sell amway products (something unethical)or recruiting others to sell amway products to others (which almost never happens because the end result is that they will instead recruit others who in turn will do the same without any products actually being sold). The last two options, as can be seen, are either unethical or just plain bad business structure. The first one is actually very good because you are actually selling products, and good quality products (well, not all but a good portion of them are good products). I was thinking that maybe the empower network may be the same way: instead of taking the information to promote EN, one will be able to use the information to promote their own blogs.

    • Kyle says:

      the empower network sells products on how to promote its products!

      That is exactly what is happening. The initial “blog” they give you for $25 per month is geared around promoting EN. It has Empower branding all over it and you would look like an absolutely schemer if you tried to promote anything ethical on these blogs. But in order to make money from that blog, you have to spend another $19.95 per month to even get paid. So there is some real foolery right from the get go.

      I was thinking that the empower network may be like amway in some sense.

      No, unlike Amway Empower Network does not have a product other than their “scheme”. As in, you cannot go out there and sell training to others without them being part of the scheme themselves. The products are low grade, overpriced, and frankly, if they tried to sell the products to people that were not in the scheme they would not be selling them. $3,500 for a video course? Not a chance someone outside of the PRESSURE COOKER scheme would buy into that garbage.

      —–

      If you do head in there I don’t think you are going to like what you see if you have been part of “legit” MLM companies before. This is not even an MLM because as I said, there is nothing to sell other than the products to others that are already involved in the scheme. It is a S2S business (Schemer 2 Schmer).

  103. Stephen says:

    You have lead people astray! Empower Network is a great company to be a part of and in fact is a great way to get started making money online for a beginner. It is always good to know the “upsells” that are going to be presented to you when you join something but I tell all my team that before they even join! The educational products are great and are all taught by people that have done very well online. I appreciate your article but it’s a bummer you lead people off the path of Empowering themselves. How do you know they wouldn’t have done great with Empower? A company that has paid out over $65 million in commissions in less than 2 years! It’s direct marketing combined with commissions from your downline worked in.

    • Kyle says:

      Quite the contrary Stephen, I am leading people in the path in which they can Empower themselves which happens to be running as far away as you can from EN. Just because people are earning money doing something does not make it (a) an ethical opportunity (b) something to be proud of. Look at ZeekRewards, it was paying much more than Empower Network was until the SEC shut them down for being a fraud company. Zeek also had a MUCH higher Alexa rank (I know this is the metric that you guys use over there).

      The thing is that from the very start you are selling people into a system that takes a smoke and mirrors approach.

      $25 per month for a blog, that is it? Seriously? Can you say that with a straight face?

      Didn’t think so. That is just the start of the foolery and that is the starting point of your pressure pitch for people to go “all in”, become a “badass” and not be a “wussy”…until they part with over $6,000 in products and are sending another $140 per month out the door. There are definitely ethical opportunities online, unfortunately this is not one of them.

      I absolutely do respect you if you are promoting something within EN that is not the product itself. If you are promoting the Empower scheme to everybody else you are no different than the rest of the brainwashed circle of lemmings.

  104. Charles Malabed says:

    For beginners like me who are aspiring to be a part of this so-called online business or Internet Industry, what is really out there for us to expect?

    A “quicksand”? Once you’re in there, it keeps pulling you
    in. I really wonder whom to trust in this system nowadays
    particularly when money is already involved.

    I actually sign up with EN; paid the $25 and $19.95. If these prices worth their honor and dignity by employing
    unfair tactics to gain advantage, I will let them to keep
    it. How I really hope to hear their side of the issue.

    Would it really make a difference for “those” who offers
    you their services and buy their products and/or
    guranteeing you to extend their support and guide you
    through BUT after taking your money, they do not do their
    part of the deal?

    • Kyle says:

      They will tell you that it is completely ethical. Things like “all companies are pyramids”, “you have to pay for education if you want to earn money”, or “you can promote anything you want on your EN blog”. These are all things that are leading prospective customers and people within the actual system in a dishonest direction.

  105. Susana Chavez says:

    I am SO glad I read this, Kyle! Actually, from the get go, the 2 Davids, especially the one w/the pony tail, kind of turned me off. What did turn me on was the possibility of making LOTS of money, and I’m sure that’s what turns many on! The word WUSSY used over and over at EN is, quite frankly, offensive. I had already signed up for this and today, after reading your post last night, CANCELLED MY MEMBERSHIP and YES!! I AM GETTING MY MONEY BACK! It is true as others say that initially all you hear, and all I was told by the ladies that got me to sign up, was that the fee is $25/mo — completely failing to mention that it is an additional $19.95 a month for ewallet — just to get paid! (This is silly, especially considering that there is a PER transaction fee on top of all this!) I thought $19.95 was for that! And, I was encouraged to sign up for the “Inner Circle” which was $100 — and I was under the impression that it was a ONE TIME fee — but then after I signed up, I saw that it was a RECURRING fee! So, all these people are doing is RECYCLING money from one person to the next! And for me personally, that is NOT ethical! (Let it be know that NONE of the people that I spoke to about EN ever pushed me into buying anything!)

    You are right Kyle, they are NOT selling you anything except SMOKE and MIRRORS! On the other hand Kyle, I have also been involved with companies that do sell you something — supplements — only to find out that those are OVERpriced — well of course, in order to maintain the business and pay out commissions, the MUST be!

    So, I ask you, WHAT is the solution? I DO believe in MLM and leverage to make lots of money, but once again this is not a good company to be associated with — at least not for me!
    Many years ago, I got involved with Beyond Freedom — I don’t know if they’re still around, but I remember I went $7,000 into debt and had to plead and beg for my money back — and only got $5000 back b/c the lady was honest. The other $2,000 is GONE!!! And, it was VERY similar to this company — they had NO product and ONLY sold calls, and the life of luxury and some cheap financial advice.

    So, what do you suggest for a business that is viable, and that I could leverage?

    Thanks!

    • Kyle says:

      Well said Susana, it is the recycling of money. A new person comes into the system, that money is going to their “uppers” within the system and in a lot of cases, the person at the top of the scheme. This is pure displacement of money from one person to the next and the reason people are “hustling” so hard to get others into this program is because they are literally taking money out of YOUR bank account and putting THEIRS (if you sign-up under them)>

  106. Melissa Liles says:

    I can not believe I almost bought into this. Even more disappointing, another Beachbody Coach was actually the one promoting EN. I participated in her live google hookup for over an hour under the impression she was sharing her tactics for blogging. I definitely see her tactics now. I began my network marketing business with Beachbody because I believe in their product and their continuing effort to improve the lives of others. This Coach apparently forgot what our mission at TBB was. Network Marketing can be a profitable business but you have to believe in what your product and services and despite the message all these networking schemes try to convey, you have to work hard. It does take time. Anything or anyone saying you can make money by doing nothing, something is wrong and unethical with it. I think I will stick to improving my marketing skills through continuing self-education, practice, trial and error, and good old-fashion hard work and dedication.

    Thank you for your work to validate such businesses and services.

    • Kyle says:

      I would agree, anyone saying that you can earn money online without investing some time and energy is simply leading you astray. It will take work, but there truly is a lot of opportunity out there.

      The problem with EN and the folks that are promoting it is that they know one thing, they NEED to promote EN to others to make money. In order to earn an income they need to get people into the viral blogging system which is the $25 per month entrance point to many more products…this is followed by forceful upsells and being ridiculed into go “all in” which means buying over $6,000 worth of products and spending $140 per month on the programs. Not exactly what is sold to you on entry.

      There is a BIG difference between buying an education and buying into a scheme.

  107. James Bradley says:

    Thanks for posting this review about Empower Network.

    I am glad someone is seeing past the smoke and mirrors :)

    I almost signed up but stumbled upon this review, which I might add is ranked higher than Empower Network itself.

    Also, thanks for clearing up the “Alexa Rank”. I’ve seen a lot of affiliates promoting a picture of Empower Network Ranking high on Alexa.

    • Kyle says:

      Yeah, the Alexa rank continues to be flaunted as if it is some sort of “search engine” metric. The data within Alexa is meaningless and has not relation to search engine rankings and they do not even have a good grasp on traffic. Why? Because Alexa does not have this sort of data. It is one big hoax to sell the potential success of a website based on it’s Alexa ranking.

  108. Jeannine says:

    Thank you for your excellent and thorough review. I briefly joined EN because I love to write and was looking for an independent business opportunity that did not involve direct sales (frankly, I suck at recruitment). Well, you know what I learned, of course! The only way you can make money is to relentlessly recruit.

    The hype that you can make money with the $25 blogging product is completely false. You are constantly encouraged to “not be a wussy” and “go all in”, i.e. buy all the much higher priced products that are your “training”. I signed up to take a blogging class with a reputable content marketer and would not give out my EN link because it felt sleazy and spammy.

    Nonetheless, I actually considered that maybe I was just not doing something right and if I gave EN more focused effort then I could make it work for me just as others claim it has worked for them. Your review convinced me to walk away and not look back and that is exactly what I plan to do. By the way, I had an easy time canceling the blog product but have to contact support by online chat to cancel the ewallet payment collection system. Naturally support is never available when I am.

    Also, there is a whopping near $60 “reconnection” fee if I had changed my mind.

    For what exactly? And yes, it is locked down WordPress with ugly, tacky themes. For example, one theme features one of the Daves with his wife in a leather halter and a spiked dog collar. This is not exactly the image that I wanted on my blog since I am not covering adult or bondage themes. Your review and the comments have been very insightful and helpful to me. Thanks again.

    • Kyle says:

      I am glad you figured out what is actually going on. The $25 is just the start of it and although it is marketed as a product that you can make money with, you can’t. In order to get the REAL training and to have the ability to get paid (the e-wallet debacle you have gone through), you have to pay more and more money. Thankfully you came to your senses Jeannine before you invested the over $6,000 in upsells. Folks are literally missing their rent payments, losing jobs and getting pay day loans so they can lose money (sorry, buy into the opportunity) to EN.

      Thanks for your insights and feedback into your experience.

  109. prosperpursuit says:

    Viral Blogging System! I’m still waiting for it…….. oh wait my free software……Oh Wait my Ebook…… EN is scam of scams.

    I purchased for research. Spent $144.95 for junk. I have been in the business for a long long time and own some one of the most popular PTC sites on the net. It is junk. Maybe you should look into paypal booster instead! Just kidding. Mike.

  110. John Thomas says:

    Kyle,

    Thanks for the “heads up”, it isn’t easy to sift thru all the B.S., so your efforts here are much appreciated!

    -John

  111. Mike says:

    Thanks for the post. I already joined EN, but listening to you gave me a change of heart. I’ve been looking for a legitimate company to make money online with for years and I thought that this was one of them, but I guess I was wrong. If I wasn’t so determine I would have given up a long time ago. It seems that you can’t trust anyone now-a-days. Thanks again!

    • Kyle says:

      It is difficult to trust anyone. I think as you dig into the program you are going to find that the “meat” of the scheme is that YOU are going to have to promote this to other folks in order to make any money. All of the training is centered around this and you are going to encounter many people pushing you to go “all in” and invest $1,000’s in other products within EN. Why? Because they earn money from you when you do.

      There are ethical opportunities and real ways to create a full time income online. If you ever need a hand I would be more than willing to help get moving in the right direction and if you personal business help, you can find me within WA.

  112. George Gomez says:

    All i have to say is that people are idiots if they gonna listen to a fool who saids he knows what hes talking about without even being involve in the empower network system, all of you cant see that hes trying to bash another system to promote hes system. thats what wussies do to get attention, 164,000 people who already join empower network cant be wrong and you who talks a mean game gonna find yourself one of this days promoting the same system you started to bash upon. you are a loser just like every other pathetic person that is not part of my scheme yet.

    • Kyle says:

      Perhaps you can tell us how the program works George. Perhaps you can tell me how 164,000 people falling for a scheme like this somehow makes it a sound choice for someone looking to create a REAL business online. You like others within this program, are saying how great it is but the only reason you say this is because you are trying to suck others into joining the program.

      What are you trying to get people to buy?

      (1) A $25 per month blogging system that not only people don’t own, they don’t rank in search engines and force people to promote EN.
      (2) Another $19 per month to be part of an affiliate program, the Empower one to be precise. There is not another affiliate program in the industry that does this. Completely unethical and the reason this has to be done is because no ethical merchant (like Paypal) would ever touch a program like EN with a 10 foot pole.
      (3) $100 per month for inner circle audios. Overpriced motivational audios.
      (4) Over $6,000 in other “one time” purchases for training that people apparently need.

      So you are selling people on the idea of $25 per month, when in reality they are PRESSURED into spending $6,000+ plus an additional $145 per month. If that is what you call an honest program, then you should continue doing what you are doing because you are in the right place.

      However, for those looking for an ethical opportunity I have created this site to help them out. I have helped 10,000s’ of people over the past 8 years within the online marketing/affiliate marketing world and I will continue to do so. People want real help and want to create a real business, something that you should not say you are offering them…because well, you are not.

    • Etta says:

      You’ll notice he said part of his scheme.” How true..

  113. Tammy says:

    WOW, I was seriously one min away from hitting the button for EN to join at $25…plus the $19.95 and so forth…I saw after looking into this for the past few days that this was most likely a pyramid, was not 100% sure, but I needed work/$$ and wanted an online/work at home job and thought, well, I guess this is how to earn money online, and was about to join till my gut told me to Google EN and found this, thank you Kyle. I am a very honest person, and even if I did make more money than I put into EN, I do not believe in taking advantage of other people, dishonesty and so forth. I will have to get back out there and look for a real good honest job..I just wish I knew of an honest, good online/work at home job that wont take what little money I have left so that I could work from home and still be here for my kids. Any advise or help would be greatly appreciated!! :)

    Thanks again for this info and saving me time and money on ripping off good people.

    Tammy

    • Kyle says:

      Tammy, the thing about this is that you did not just save yourself $25 per month, you saved yourself from the MANY upsells that you would have been forcefully promoted within EN. $25 is just the start of it, there are over $6,000 that you would have been belittled into paying, so you have saved much more money than you can imagine.

      There are several legitimate opportunities online and within my side menu (to the right) you will see some of my top ranked ones that you should consider. Also, if you ever have any questions or need any personal help with your business, you can find me within WA.

      • John Favinger says:

        I want to thank you for letting me know what the product really is I was looking for a way to make more money and I kept trying to find out what the products were and really like you said there is no real product just learning skills on how to sucker people into the program.

        To be totally honest I cant believe they get away with this scam this reminds me of the chain letters and the people that started them made the big money, a person once told me if it sounds to good to true it probably is, also they have a new site called BIM big idea mastermind and they are partners with empower network BEWARE OF BOTH OF THESE SITES THANK YOU KYLE.

  114. Dave says:

    This Empower Network will turn into a major nightmare for many people. One major point that people need to realize is that a lot of people have to lose money for others to make money. It’s sort of common sense to realize in this scheme people HAVE to lose their hard earn money for the few to make money.

    So yes Dave and Dave need you for their paychecks. Let’s look at their awesome products that they have to offer. Did you know that the Word Press plat form that they use is unfortunately FREE and you can go to WordPress.com to down load your own.

    Now if you wanted to make an outstanding Word Press website you can purchase a domain name from Blue host, Go Daddy and others and make your own customized website with endless themes and plug-ins. As for their so called products on teaching the aspects of blogging you can find endless good information and hundreds of You Tube videos on the art of blogging and again it’s all free. Again if you love to blog there’s sites like Tumblr, Hub Pages and Squidoo that are totally free and are very highly ranked on Google. In fact if you feel energetic both Squidoo with their Lenses and Hub Pages with their Hubs you can promote products from both E-Bay and Amazon and receive commissions for real products. Again both sites help you out with free videos.

    Another point that people need to know about the Empower Network is that this network was deemed a scam by the National Fraud Center out of Washington DC. It is illegal to take part in this activity in the United States. So if you are making money from the Empower Network and you live in the states you can be fined and be jailed for fraud. You scam over a $1000.00 than you can get grand theft charges. I know this as I was contacted by an agent from the National Fraud Department. I don’t know how they found me but somehow they claimed some of my credit card transactions were fraudulent and would help me recover my E.N. money. I however recovered all my funds paid to the E.N weeks before by the E.N. so the National Fraud Department took me off their list. They however said that I could be contacted later.

    One reason I got a total 100% refund from the Empower Network was that my Sponsor or group leader was Robert Probst and he tried to scam me for thousands of dollars through his own eCommerce programs. He tried to sell me his own WordPress, Capture page, software that copies and rearranges existing blogs on the internet and a tool that sends phony traffic to your website. I know this because I caught him and his phony traffic sender on my Google Analytics. All his traffic came from 4 advertise agents for 1 page view each, 0 minutes spent and 100 percent bounce rate for all 240 visits! I called Robert up and immediately cancelled as he was destroying my website that I worked so hard on. One more point that Robert told me is that I needed to blog for the Empower Network at least 5 days a week to even everyday.

    Upon visiting my mentor’s website the last time he put out a blog was back in December of 2011. When you visit my Empower Networks sponsors website (robertprobst.com) he claims 7 years of internet marketing. I found that after I went to Google and down loaded the Page ranking and Alexa tool bar that my guru internet marketer had no Google page rank and a very low Alexa ranking and a very high 80% bounce rate. For somebody in this field of internet marketing this is very poor. Also all his internet marketing tools that are on his website are ones that Google is hitting hard on with all these new Google Penguin and Panda updates. Before I left the Empower Network I completely deleted all my blogs as I didn’t want their back links hurting my website.

    Good luck to all those trying to recoup money and for those few who are making money I think Costa Rico or a jail cell in the US is waiting for you.

    • Kyle says:

      I had no idea about the National Fraud Center catching on to the scheme at Empower Network Dave, but it does make sense. I personally have worked with many people that have been in the exact situation as you (feeling ripped off) by EN and they are coming en mass looking for either a refund for their purchase or a way to report this program to a higher authority.

      Thanks for stopping by and sharing your story, I think many folks that read this will benefit from it when making a decisions as to EN is a program that is right for them or not.

  115. Stephen Alexander says:

    I have met a nice guy name Aric Jackson, who is part of Empower Network. He is convincing and very nice, and I have been wanting to join, however this review does raise great doubt.

    • Kyle says:

      Of course he wants you to join under him Stephen, he gets paid directly from your investment. Once you are inside, he is going to encourage you to buy more and more of the programs as well, to the tune of $6,000 + $145 per month. Why? Because he will get paid when you spend more.

      And then how are you going to earn money? By doing the EXACT same thing to others. Convincing them to join the EN program and forcing them to buy the overpriced upgrades which allow you to get paid.

  116. Joe smith says:

    I worked for empower network. Not only is it a scam you have horrible employees and lies from day one. They pay decent for this reason alone. If you can handle unethical business Jerome Ballard might be a good boss. David sharpe pops in with his flip flops maybe 3 times a month he’s a part owner with David wood. They run money out of costs rica to save taxes hire incompetent employees that won’t question anything and me working there for a month they terminated me for asking to many questions. They deserve to be shut down. Oh all you people that need/want refund good luck the whole scheme is set up if you pay you are in essence screwed. They sell false hope and the only way you can be at the top is literally blog yourself as much as you can. It’s all a joke I wouldn’t be surprised if someone got indicted

    • Kyle says:

      Joe, Thanks for sharing with us. I have heard many other stories about people who “question” what is actually taking place within Empower getting shunned or ridiculed (or in your case, terminated). The world needs more people like you that don’t follow the herd and you question everything that is put in front of you, including the ethics of a company that yes, is make money, but how?

      That is the questions I have asked many of the EN folks within this thread and I tend to get comments like “all companies are pyramids” or “all education costs money, youn need to spend money to make money”…or the worst, “are you calling mcdonalds a scam then because it sells products”. They just don’t get it because they are so brainwashed into the hype of the program. If any sane individual involved in this program sat back (outside of the bubble) and really looked at what they were doing I think they would but upset with themselves.

  117. Mike C Smith says:

    Hi Kyle
    I came close to falling into this one, but since I’ve been sucked in before I thought I’d Google it and thank goodness I did, your site came up and after reading the first part of the article I quickly came to realise that I had a lucky escape.
    thank you very much, great service.

  118. Glenn Pearson says:

    Hi,
    Thank you for this great insight in this scam…I nearly bought into it, but just something in my gut said- check it out first…I typed Empower Networks into Google and got your link at the top… Read this and thanked my lucky stars. The main Dave is very very good at his sales pitch…wow…best Unscripted sales pitch….Thanks you for saving my yet another shiny syndrome ass..

  119. Lynne Schlumpf says:

    I signed up for Empower Network as a mystery shopper because my book “The Little Website That Could” was coming out in a 2013 revision, much of the book discusses online offers.

    What I found was a nightmare of FTC violations. First, though I was not in but just about 4 days, I was so appalled by this company, I asked for a refund. (I normally never ask for refunds from products I review). These guys were so slimy, I had to. They will never give you a refund of any of your money. NOT EVER. So, imagine yourself out 5 grand!!! I only lost $145.00, but I’m going to get it back. I’ll explain why in a minute.

    Their blog system is basically just a locked down version of WordPress, which you can get FREE. The bad thing is you cannot make hardly any changes toit or even add a firewall plugin to protect it!

    Dave the hippie: He always acts likes he’s drunk or stoned in the so-called training videos, and he’s lousy at videos. For that kind of money, he could have hired a professional. He draws here really lousy flow charts On a whiteboard. he truly is the worst speaker I’ve ever seen on video. he talks in circles and seems to have no outline.

    I watched one webinar that had the two Daves plus other top earners. I couldn’t believe my ears when I heard Dave the hippie say “I’m so excited, I’ve got a boner right now.” Ewwwwww…every other word being a cuss word. It was like he was trying so hard to impress everyone.

    Every picture of Dave the hippie and his wife kind of grossed me out, too. It’s lik she was sticking her chest out so far, that it took up most of the picture. The not so subtle message being: “if you join us and get rich, you can have this!” (Someone like her) Hippie Dave also made some pretty sexist comments to shame people into joining he talked about how the man better get rich so the wife can go on shopping sprees, as if women have nothing better to do.

    They are braking a very important FTC ruling that says they can only show “typical” results.

    So, they’ve been reported to both the FTC, and their state’s Attorney General.

    That’s just what I found in 4 days.

    PS. Oh one more thing: they are basically banned from Facebook. You cannot even mention them in a comment or post. Some EN members found ways to run a Facebook page without saying who they are with, but that is deception. As a business owner who advertises on Facebook almost constantly, this didn’t sit well.

  120. Joe says:

    I think you are confused as to the core requirements for something to qualify as a pyramid. EN does not meet them. Please dig deeper and research the legal def. Also you said it yourself it takes a lot of work ok show me a way to make a lot of $ that doesn’t. As far as investment in a business of 140/mth. You think this is a lot to invest. Its a system that has been proven to work no not for everyone but no business is. I think that if you were a bit more involved you might understand. Not everyone has to love something to make it right. As soon as someone is not prepared to dedicate themselves to stick to something and work hard its a scam and everyone else is to blame. EN is not a scam nor a pyramid. I give your review a 0 out of 100 because you didn’t do your research, your just expressing an opinion that is ill-informed.

    • Kyle says:

      Joe, here is the definition of a Ponzi scheme:

      A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation

      Let’s break this thing down one piece at a time.

      Pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors.

      When you sell EN to other folks, does the money go to the prior investors. Do you get paid directly from the people you recruit and every 5th sale goes to your upline. If so, then your investment is reliant on others coming into the program in order to be paid.

      …rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation

      The organization is not paying you and people “external” of the scheme are not paying. In order for you to get paid, you relentless recruit the program to others. You rely on earning back your investment (and likely more) on newcomers coming into the program. There is no way that everyone can earn money in this sort of operation, it will always rely on “new blood” coming in, in order to pay the higher ups within the scheme.

      That is how EN works and if you can refute this I would love to hear your explanation….

  121. Jake says:

    Hahaha this blog makes me laugh. I’m making well over 5k per month in Empower Network and here you guys are calling it a scam! If Empower Network is a scam, then my God there is no hope in the network marketing industry. LOL

    • Kyle says:

      Just because you are making money does that mean what you are doing is OK. This site is not about making money, it is about outlining the legitimacy of products.

      If you are earning money by promoting Empower to others, then you are no better than the next person. You are in essence taking money directly out of someone’s pocket and putting it into yours. It is a strategic way of robbing people out of their hard earned money.

      But your argument would probably be that you are offering them a product.

      I would say, does this product ALLOW them to create any type of business online or are they going to be naturally pushed into promote EN to others and building a downline (that you will in turn earn from as well).

      These blogs are available for FREE everywhere in the world, in fact, they are much more limited than most FREE WordPress platforms. But YOU are selling these to people for $25 per month. Then they are going to be required to spend another $19.95 per month in order to be part of the affiliate program, this is the only paid affiliate program I have ever heard of.

      But that is just the start of it right? You really want them to buy MORE…because when they do, you will get paid more. You are likely going to tell them they need to go “all in”, spend another $100 per month on the inner circle and spend $5,500 on the one time programs. So much for the $25 per month initial offer, now you have trapped people into spending their rent money, their kids education, their groceries to join this scheme…so they can do what with it? Do the exact same thing to others.

      If I am off base here, let me know. But when broken down, I hope you realize how unethical what you are doing to other people is.

    • Steve says:

      I’m making well over 5k per month in Empower Network and here you guys are calling it a scam!

      Bernie Madoff made millions, so I guess he wasn’t scamming people. Zeek Rewards wasn’t a scam either since a lot of people were making money.

      • Kyle says:

        Yeah Bernie Madoff was a scam. That is why he is in jail. Zeek Rewards made loads of money, but SEC shut them down. You will see the EN folks gloating about their product being legit because they are making money with it. Somehow that legitimizes the product.

        The reality of it is…

        Those that make money online are not always ethical. People robbing banks are not ethical, but yes, they make money. Those that steal old ladies purses make money, does that make them ethical? Nope. So it is the actual activities that you are doing to generate the money that defines whether that money was earned ethically and unfortunately EN does not qualify.

  122. Brandon says:

    Selling a dream is disrespectful, they sell it like your gonna be rich but these programs are not setup to make everyone rich, only those at the top. Selling a blog which you can get for free is the catalyst they use to bait people besides saying they have the best training. All anyone needs is ahrefs and opensiteexplorer, I’m sure that where the owners get their info.

    • Kyle says:

      It truly is a bait and switch situation in my opinion as well. They are selling you on the initial $25 viral blogging system giving you the assumption that you can create a business for $25 per month. Come to find out that your blog is not going to rank and that you are “forced” to promote EN to earn any money with these blogs as they are geared to promote Empower.

      Then if you want to actually get paid, you need your own merchant account. Another $19.95 per month. Then in order to get an ounce of help from your sponsor or within the system, you need to spend another $100 per month for the inner circle..and then you will be called a wussy until you spend $5,000 and go “all in”.

      That $25 per month is just the start…

  123. Casey says:

    Hey Kyle,

    I just recently stumbled upon your blog and I am glad I did. I too have been apart of Empower Network but I never really did anything because I could not afford to go “all in” ( not trying to make excuses but I am a broke college kid who does not have $5,000 to invest) and the more I thought about it, I am not sure I feel comfortable generating an income with something I completely don’t believe in. It honestly just seems to spammy, but I am not giving up on my dream of generating a honest income that I can feel good about on the internet. I am getting ready to graduate school here soon and I am really not sure I want the 9 to 5 job.

    The problem is all I have been exposed to on the Internet is network marketing ( not that there is anything wrong with network marketing) but I would like personally rather make an full time income online by not hounding my family and posting messages on facebook every hour on “join this certain business”. My dream is to generate a full time income with a golf (my passion) website.

    I am just lost on how to actually make a full time income with a golf website. I do now it is certainly possible as many have done it before me. I am eager to actually learn how to operate a sustainable- long term internet business because i do not want to end up in the 9-5 rat race that awaits me in December. Hope to hear your advice soon Kyle, and I really enjoyed reading your blog!

    • Kyle says:

      Casey, there are definitely ways you can earn money online without feeling like your need to sell your soul or shameless promote “schemes” to your family members. The term network marketing has become more and more a facade for “pyramid” style, hot air programs. Programs that have little substance, are expensive and require you to promote the very same program to others to earn money.

      I can tell you that there is a REAL way to earn money and you can do so with your golf website. It all starts with an understand of how to properly build a website out in a way that will get ranked in Google, get relevant traffic..and then how to monetize that traffic. That is something that I can help you out with and something that I have been teaching others for years. I would be more than happy to help you out within WA with your campaigns and help you get out of the race.

      If you are willing to work hard and take action on the training, I can definitely help get your business turned around in the right direction (and I promise, you will never have to hound your parents and family members to join another scheme again).

      • Alan says:

        Kyle I have been looking to understand how to do this for years! I have been apart of a few pyramids and I have learned my lesson. I didn’t go for this scheme listed. But I have been caught into, Manatech, Primerica and another one that sells energy drinks. I am an artist and graphic designer. I want to market myself but I also want to make money from my marketing with a website! Please help! It would be greatly appreciated!

        • Kyle says:

          Well you are heading in the wrong direction if you are looking for “network marketing” programs versus getting an education on how to create a real business online. One which doesn’t rely on you recruiting new people into a program and them recruiting others into it. If you want to get a handle on how YOU can earn money online, I suggest you understand the process.

          You are going to continue bouncing from program to program if you seek out a pyramid style business structure. It involves a lot of hustle and frankly, some tasteless promotional strategies to make money.

  124. Tanya says:

    Thanks very much. I was very close to paying the initial $25 before I googled to check if it was a scam. Love that you’ve given so much information-you’ve obviously spent a bit of time looking into how they work. I’m from Australia and I haven’t heard of it before- it came up as a ‘suggested page’ on my facebook newsfeed. Just spent an hour watching their video- the blog they were selling sounded great for selling my products but glad I haven’t wasted further time.

    • Kyle says:

      Unfortunately Tanya, the blog that you would be getting is to sell “their” products, in other words, to sell other people into the exact same scheme. If you are looking to build a website and promote products within a specific niche, then I would suggest you check out the process to build a website (and I cover how to do so for free).

      This way you are getting a blog that you can actually get rankings with (the EN blogs also don’t rank, making them even less useful)…and to get rolling for not cost within any niche.

  125. Rodney Walker says:

    I don’t know about Empower Network, but what I do know, is that you people call everything a scam. What is not a scam? What is not a pyramid scheme? Working a 9 to 5? The hell with that? I’m in MCA. That’s a pyramid scheme to right? A company selling roadside assistance and dental benefits etc. huh? You people blame the world for everything. I been in MCA 1 year. The first half of the year I made $101,000. Scam huh? Pyramid scheme right? LOL. Thank God I wasn’t raised to bitch about everything.

    • Kyle says:

      I guess the best way to determine whether you are doing something legitimate is to determine whether the money you earn is from selling insurance or it is from generating an income from selling other people on the idea of selling insurance. If you are doing the later, then you are scheming your way to success. If you are selling insurance to other folks, then that is completely ethical and I have no issue with that.

      I haven’t said anything negative about MCA as it has not been reviewed, but it does sound like you have experience some negativity. I have absolutely seen the same sort of pressure sales tactics and “spamming” for this program all over the Internet though.

  126. Nelson says:

    Good Article Kyle.. I never had any experience with EN. But I have some experience with MLSP, which has taught me some things about internet and attraction marketing. I’m totally new to the field, so I’ll believe just about anything at this point :) Would love to hear your thoughts on MLSP. Thanks.

    • Kyle says:

      You are still not going to get an “education” within MLSP, you are part of a greater scheme. This is not building a business, it is being “involved” within a program. I have a review coming on MLSP that I think is going to put a good deal of what is actually going on over there in perspective.

      • Nelson says:

        I’ll give you my perspective, which doesn’t hold much weight because I’ve only been there a little over a month. The monthly “Mastery” membership is $149/mos. $100 of that goes to your upline/sponsor every month. In exchange, you get an hour of “coaching” every month from your sponsor. This is assuming your Sponsor knows what they are doing and has had actual success in MLSP The Mastery membership gives you the “rights” to earn 100% commission on the various marketing system products. Those products focus on everything from marketing via blogs, FaceBook, YouTube, Twitter to other forms of attraction marketing. The whole point is to get leads and convert these leads into joining you primary network marketing business. On the surface, you do actually get leads if you put the work into it. There seems to be heavy emphasis in trying to get those leads to purchase the MLSP membership or one of the other product offerings which were created by some of the Mastery members themselves. So why would these members give up 100% commission on their own products? Because, your paying them $100 per month anyway for the rights, whether you sell any of those products or not.

        My gut feeling tells me that your sucked into a whirlwind of activity which “promotes the promotion” without a tangible product to sell in the end. Like you said Kyle, its being “involved” but there is no real business. You’re selling informational products when in fact, you’re the one that should be selling and teaching the info. That’s what you should be paid for.

        • Kyle says:

          A good outline and I agree with all of your sentiments. You are “promoting the promotion” which is very indicative of this program and EN. You join the program, so you can promote the program that will promote the program to others. Whew…

          And then the education and the sponsors that you get involved with are in the business of getting you to build up THEIR downline, but more products and essentially do everything you can to earn THEM more money. It doesn’t sound all that ethical (or in many cases legaL) and that is because it is sitting in one big ethical “gray” area.

  127. John says:

    Sounds a lot like Amway but at least Amway has an actual product. I am not sure how it can be called an business when you are required to “lure” other folks into EN in order to generate any income. There is no way to promote an actual product from Empower to the outside world without them having to become part of the scheme. That sets some big time red flags for me. That is far too ponzi-like for me to invest in.

    • Kyle says:

      I agree John, and then once you are inside the blog that you pay for and can apparently promote anything you want on actually FORCES you to promote EN. They say you can promote other stuff, but it is riddled with Empower branding. It would be like owning a hot dog stand and trying to sell furniture from it. It just doesn’t make sense nor will it work.

    • Nelson says:

      Hey easy on Amyway :)

  128. Hi Kyle, I wrote a similar post about Empower. I actually earn from the program before realizing that it is one big scam based on a product (blog) that we can get for free. It is selling a dream and one day it will all come crumbling down.

    to promote it, you have to be ruthless and unethical, which is why I have stopped promoting it. The only mention i make of Empower is this negative post that I wrote on my blog. I appreciate for your honesty.

    • Kyle says:

      Hey Brian,

      Thanks for stopping by and thank you for dedicating your time and energy (via your blog) to helping others. I am glad you came to your senses even though you were earning money within the program and realized that money is not money. There are ways you can earn it by helping people, and there are ways you can earn it by selling people on “hope” and taking advantage of their situations. That is why I am against EN and why so many others that have been burned by this program are.

      I know many people that were earning money within Empower (which is done by TAKING money from others, not other way to put it) that have followed the same path as you. They didn’t feel it was right and moved on.

      Again, I do wish you all the best and if you ever need help with your online business, I would be more than happy to help you out!

      • Brian G Elliott says:

        Thanks Kyle. I have signed up to Wealthy Affiliate as I like your honesty. Tonight I intend to go through the tutorials to see if it suits me. God Bless.

        • Kyle says:

          Wonderful Brian, I look forward to connecting with you within WA and I really do think you are going to enjoy the community.

  129. Barbara says:

    Hello, Kyle and thanks for saving me from a terrible mistake.

    After reading your comments and those of other “victims”, I am no longer interested in affiliating with EN. I was in the initial stages and did sign up for e-wallet, and paid the $19.95 to Empower but for some reason, my payment to the “sponsor” did not go through because he is in England and my bank declined the payment. Lucky for me, I get to save $25.

    I read all of the promo material and kept trying to figure out what products I would be promoting but never could discover anything other than the “program”. My mindset was to stay focused, work, and work hard to make the promises a reality. I’ve been in commission sales for the bulk of my life and will be 71 years old soon. I was looking for something to supplement my husband’s and my retirement income and thought I had found it.

    I am so glad to be spared the harsh reality of having spent additional time,effort, and money on this scheme to take me nowhere but to more money worries.

    I’m going to go now. Off to investigate your site and see about building a legitimate business. Thanks again.

    • Kyle says:

      Serendipity perhaps Barbara. I can tell you that there are some real, tangible opportunities online but I would definitely suggest you avoid anything that is “scheme” based and that requires you to recruit others into the program in order to make any money. That is not an education in business, that is a pure scheme.

      If you ever need a hand, you can find me within WA. I would be more than happy to help you get your business up and running online and help your husband supplement his retirement income.

    • pals0715 says:

      OMG, the same thing happened to me. I’m ashamed I bought into the hype. I went to pay my $25, and they were having technical difficulties and were unable to process my card. Maybe it was my visa that has blocked EN. After reading this blog I feel so relieved. I,m retired Army veteran with lots of time on my hands. Do i need to be a pro with the internet or have something to sell to have a business on line?

  130. Ethan Vanderbuilt says:

    The Empower Network is a clear product based pyramid scheme. I put together some information and a video about this on my blog as well. I think as time goes forward more and more folks are going to come “clean” about the scam that this program really is.

    • Kyle says:

      Ethan, I agree. You like many others are coming clean on what EN really is and how their system really works. Unfortunately for many folks, they are still getting sucked into sales videos that sell people on “dreams” (big houses, cars, and wads of cash), but hot air is about all they are getting when they buy into the hype.

  131. Jay Carey says:

    Additional:

    In order to succeed online you don’t need to be a slimy rat forcefully convincing an old couple or single mother that their dreams can become a reality just by the simple application of intimidation and blatant robbery.

    I have done many programs in the past and still do some of them but nothing has really made me want to make a stand against their practices.

    Well not until i found EN.

    If you can sleep at night knowing you probably bankrupt an old man or a mother who can feed her kids or keep her electricity on then by all means join the Empower Network however if you have morals and ethics and want to make an honest living online then take a closer look at Kyles offering :)

  132. Jay Carey says:

    Very interesting points Kyle although you fail to mention the technique they use is something that was outlawed about 2 decades ago.

    The bait and switch scheme. They offer you something which at first looks like a mere $25 a month but one you are hooked in the price rockets.

    Case-in-point a similar business in the UK (Carpet Cleaners lol) that offered a full carpet clean for £35 then when they actually come round to clean the carpets you learn that a quick clean will actually make a carpet look worse because all the dirt is brought to the top.

    When you learn this, the carpet cleaner/salesman upsells you another package to remove infestation and clean the carpet properly for nearly 20 times the amount you were originally expecting to pay.

    The special £35 offer is the bait to get them in the door then the switch is the much higher price and the sales technique.

    This type of selling makes me sick and being in marketing for over 7 years it still amazes me how many people still buy into the Empower bait and switch scam.

    This is one of the reasons i will not allow members of my site to build a downline in EN because to me the whole idea is massively unethical.

    I really hope that sometime in the near future Dave and Dave and Empower get whats coming to them.

    Face it Empower is the online equivalent of Bait and Switch and whats even worse is the way it is sold.

    Really people haven’t we gotten past the schoolday bullying methods?

    • Kyle says:

      Very true Jay, I have however reference what a ponzi is (within the Wikipedia definition) and there are some really bold and striking similarities. Perhaps this is the reason that people have to take money directly from others using hodge podge merchant accounts (instead of reputable ones like Paypal, Beanstream, Stripe, and merchant bank accounts).

      You are not alone, this makes many people sick and for those reading this with the “hype” blinders on, wake up!

  133. David says:

    On a different blog promoting Empower, I just read a comment with a person claiming they’ve been with EN for about 2 months, have 66 blog posts through the EN blogging portal with SEO scores of 88.89 to 93.33 and they are not able to get any prospects to sign up through their lead capture page.

    This is concerning to me because the EN blog is the main product being pushed. Shouldn’t that person have at least one opt-in through their capture page in 2 months of blogging?

    I can see now why some EN promoters are advising prospects to start up a blog under their own domain and hosting apart from the EN blogging portal.

    The EN blog portal doesn’t seem to be living up to the hype.

    • Kyle says:

      That is because their blogs don’t rank in search engines, in fact, they people that are paying $25 per month for the blog don’t even own the content. This sort of service can and is being offered for free elsewhere and the “viral blogging system” is really a facade for the MASSIVE upsells that they are going to try to suck you in behind the scenes. Get ready to be pressured into buying into the $100 per month inner circle program and the $5,000 in other products.

      They also tout ALEXA as being some sort of metric determining how a site ranks. It shows how much the folks within EN are really learning, they are just regurgitation when their masters tell them.

  134. muh says:

    Great post kyle, just one thing to add.

    Based on statistics directly from their website, only 675 people in Empower Network are earning over $1,000 per month. That should be pretty telling considering there are over 130,000 (or have been) paying members. You have a 99.325% chance of failing within Empower, in fact, if you buy into their forced upsells you have a good chance of losing $6,000+ of your own hard earned money. Brutallllll!

    The low man on the totem pople is paying for these 675 people earning money, really there are only 8-10 people earning lots of money and they started the company with the Davids and had huge mailing lists to begin with. You are ridiculous if you think you are going to join this program and earn money, the odds are already against you to the tune of 99.325% chance.

    I will stick with roulette thanks.

  135. muh says:

    Statistically proven, only 0.6% of EN earn money. The rest are still look for other folks to join in their downline so they can earn money off of others, but it hasn’t quite happened yet.

    Here are some Empower Network Stats as of April, 2013 that I think folks will be very interested in.

    Of the 130,000 members that have joined and PAID EN, only 675 of these people are earning over $1,000 per month. Yes, that number is correct and I think many will find it very conclusive that the ONLY people making real money from this program are not the 1,000’s of folks attending events, it is the people that are “on stage” encouraging others that they can do it too, knowing full well that they can’t. In fact, 99.325% of people within Empower fail.

    So if you like these odds, then I would suggest that you may want to join this program. I can tell you though, that your odds of winning at a blackjack table are MUCH higher than taking a chance with EN.

    • Kyle says:

      Yeah, that odds are not in your favour. Like any pyramid style set-up, the early adopters are the ones that reap all the rewards. There has been a lot of mention about when EN launched, they sat their (now most successful affiliates in a room) and said they wanted to make them the most successful group within this program. 18 months forward, those same people are the most successful feasting on the monies generated from the newcomers…or as you said, the other 99.325 of folks.

      This is unfortunate and I think these numbers are going to really put the “opportunity” into perspective for a lot of folks.

  136. Dave Rea says:

    150,000+ EN members in over 150 countries (and growing daily), somewhere between $60-$80 million dollars in commissions paid to the active affiliates in the last 18 months, and all you wussified WUSSIES say Empower Network is a scam. Anyone that is not part of EN is a total loser. How about taking a good look in the mirror and accepting responsibility for where you’re at in life right now and stop blaming everything and everybody else.

    Kyle, I like how you piggy-back off the most popular and best internet marketing company in the industry only to put it down to promote your own BS. Btw, what’s Wealthy Affiliate’s alexa ranking at http://www.alexa.com compared to Empower Network’s?

    • Kyle says:

      There was a company called ZeekRewards a few years back that was “boasting” about how much money was being transferred within their system, in fact MUCH more than Empower Network. People with the same sort of outlook in business as you were avid promoters of this program stating that it could not doing anything wrong. It relied on many of the same principles of EN, in order to earn money you need to sign-up folks below you, in fact that is the only way you can earn money online.

      I don’t see folks from EN promoting other products or services. You are no different. Why? Because you will be shunned within the program by your sponsor/upline because if you don’t promote EN, you are not making the people above you. Did you know that only 0.675% of people are making more than $1,000 per month, yet many are spending $5,000 + $140 per month on the program? Think about those numbers for a second. If you don’t feel bad about promoting a program like this to others, you are turn a shoulder to what is going on and you are no better than people that are stealing purses from old ladies.

      I could care less if people join my program or not (even though we offer WAY more for FREE than you are trying to sell people on in EN for $5,000+), I just want people to be informed before they make any decision online. To be honest Dave, I have grown tired to folks coming to me with their horror stories within EN. Being treated like crap, called wussy and much worse (it seems like you have that down), losing their jobs, not being able to pay rent, being pressured into spending money on the program instead of their children. That is the sort of stuff I don’t support and if you do, it is really telling.

      By the way, Alexa has nothing to do with traffic or success of a company. If you had a clue about the Internet, you would know this and you would know that Alexa has NO real tangible traffic data to work with. This is a “foolish” metric that all the EN folks seem to be touting, yet none of them seem to really understand it. Perhaps you might want to check out this piece I wrote on this so you can get up to speed with things that you are talking up.

  137. Rob says:

    Thanks for a really fantastic and honest review Kyle – much appreciated. I just really bitterly regret not having seen this sooner.

    I’m currently an active member of EN due to a person whom I had been following for a few years. She’s been shouting from the roof tops that it is the best thing of her 20 odd years of marketing. Based on that trust (which is totally misplaced as I discovered), I joined EN about a month ago. I didn’t go “all in” but have bought the $1000 15k formula (much to my regret). Some of the elements in there may be useful but overall I consider it as being something that is overpriced and under-delivers on most levels, essentially a rip-off product.

    Ever since joining I have had my doubt about EN as I just couldn’t really see the value in all of their products. I have to admit that I was somehow brainwashed which is very unlike me as I normally consider myself to be astute with such things. Still, I have learned my lesson the hard way and will be looking at your site in much more detail. I may possibly sign up.

    Overall, even though I have had a bad experience with EN and would not recommend their system to anyone, I still strongly believe that internet marketing is the way to go for me.

    I’m currently in the process of cancelling my EN membership (basic plus Inner Circle) including the eWallet and my Autoresponder. All in all, a not so significant $170 per month. My sponsor has not really done anything other than welcome me to her facebook group. I’ll be removing myself from that group too.

    • Kyle says:

      Rob, your experience is all too typical…including the brainwashing aspect. The thing is when you join something and everyone is “told” they are to believe in what is being said or they need to get lost, you naturally have a group of believers of something, regardless of whether or not is it is the right thing to do.

      In addition, when you get a bunch of people in a room with limited knowledge as to what they are doing, then they are all immediately going to feel intelligent. Both of these are the working forces behind empower and unfortunately there is an ongoing push to sucker new people into the program…and then they become part of the entity that suckers new folks in and so and so forth.

      I think you have validated why you have made the decision that you do and I think others reading this may see the, what may initially seem hidden, “truths” behind how the system actually works.

      I can tell you that there are bright days ahead for you man…I would love to work with you and help you turn things around. You can find me within WA or you can drop me a note here or on my About Me page if you ever need a hand getting a REAL business up and running online and I will be more than happy to help you out.

  138. jerryk says:

    I didnt do EN i looked into instant pay day network and the two are connected. I didnt even go the full way i knew it was a scam. Once i posted my first add on craigslist like i was told to do . Craigslist flagged it as spam . So i did not do that required 3rd step in the program and i received spam for months with that you need to be in it to win speech. Face book has banned them , so much for a legit stay at home opportunity

  139. Rach says:

    I was a sucker for EN and a newbie on internet marketing I have been with EN for a couple of months and I still dont understand internet marketing and everytime I went to ask a question they want to send me back to the 10 steps which did not answer my questions and I started to think I was doing something wrong. I really wanted it to work and since I was not all EN my sponsor had no words for me basically said in one of the training calls if people are not all in she dont have time for that I felt like I am not asking you to hold my hand but give me better feedback and she would direct me to ask my questions to the facebook group which they make you feel like your questions are stupid.

    I still would like to know how make money online if possible but I really dont know who to trust.

    Please, please, please save your money. I read people went to there Denver event that didnt have the money to go drove hours and didnt even have a place to sleep but it was people that took most in but that is crazy.

    I wish something could just bring them down with the economy money is to hard to come by for people to take advantage

    • Kyle says:

      Rach, that is the unfortunate thing. People are buying into the “hot air” and travelling to these events spending their last money. I have had many folks contact me that have literally spent their last dime in hopes that one of these events is magically going to change their lives.

      It changes their lives, but for the worse. Now they have no money and they just attended the biggest “rah rah” buy more session of their lives. I had one lady (read comments below) that even wrote in worried about her friend that left her sick child at home to attend this and spent their money (they need to pay the bills).

      I am not OK with this and it sounds like you are not either. I am so sorry to hear that all this has happened to you and I do want to offer my help to you if you ever need it. You can get in touch with me via my About Me page here on my site, or you can connect personally and get help from me within the WA community.

    • sharon newbie says:

      OK, I was in Denver at the Life Vantage conference the same time as the Empower Network conference was going on in the back half of the convention center.

      I spoke to a few of the EN folks on my breaks. I DO know what a pyramid scheme is since I developed products for Fortune High Tech Marketing which the government shut down as a pyramid scheme back this February. Luckily, I had done my research 3 years or so prior and found WAY too much negative chatter online about FHTM so only got involved on the manufacturing side of it. Govm’t told FHTM the only product they sold was distributorships because the product we manufactured for FHTM was only being stockpiled by distributors who were forced to buy monthly allotments in order to get the pittance of compensation that they also complained about….

      SOoooo…. In Denver, I kept telling the Empower folks there.. “you have NO PRODUCT”!!! Their answer was the mantra “our product is education, just like you buy at any college….”

      OHHHH, that is just selling air… and getting others to sell air…. Danger Will Robinson!!!!

      On of the biggest reasons I chose Life Vantage is that for every distributor, there is an average of 9 customers and the compensation program encourages ALL distributors, regardless of rank, to add new product-buying true customers at least once a month. No selling air….

      Anyone interested in how the government views the sale of education via network marketing, Google on “Dare to Be Great Glen Turner”.

      Turner was selling educational tapes, Tony Robbins style, and selling distributorships to sell those tapes. Even though the tapes could have been considered the product, the tapes taught people how to sell distributorships.

      EN has very limited time. The government responds when they are overwhelmed by complaints from burned distributors. BEWARE.

      • Kyle says:

        Yeah, one thing you can never do with their audience is tell them that they are wrong and definitely don’t have a conversation about their actual business model. They have been told many different things like:

        (1) People pay $5,000 for education, it is OK to spend this on ours
        (2) All companies are pyramids
        (3) You have to spend more money to earn more money (go “all in”)
        (4) If you don’t join, you must be a wussy

        Programs like this are unfortunate because they prey on desperation and people that really should not be spending their rent money on overpriced programs just so they can do the same to others.

  140. Robert Williams says:

    I just watched their video, and as I clicked of the page, this is what I got

    Don’t be a wussy! Click ‘Stay on page’ to join now!

    Are you sure you want to leave this page?”

    WOW!!!!! Do they know what a wussy is?

    • Kyle says:

      That is just the start of it Robert. When you join and pay the initial $25 per month for a site you don’t own (and doesn’t rank), you will be forced to pay another $19.95 so that you can get paid. Then you will be called a wussy until you go all-in, which means paying $100 per month additionally for the “inner circle” and $5,000 for the other upsells.

  141. Jennifer says:

    Thank you for this. I almost signed up an hour ago, but had a strange feeling and decided to have dinner first. I was required to enter my email address to view the informational videos. Ironically, less than an hour after viewing the EN videos, and thankfully before I signed up, I received an email alert from Google that they had blocked someone in Cancun from using an application/device to attempt hacking into my email. Had to immediately change passwords. Also ironic, EN requires in their user agreement before you sign up that you will not defame them in any way, and breaking that agreement entitles them to $5000. Red flags everywhere.

  142. Lynn says:

    BEWARE – I saw online that at the Denver event they announced ENV2 Empower Network Version 2 the is supposed to launch this fall.

    This will probably keep people on the hook longer with this whole interface change.

    I saw a couple of YouTube videos that were recorded by people at the event and a couple EN blog posts from people.

    Odd, because I thought that they made attendees sign nondisclosure agreements at these events.

    Anyway, members are touting on FB, etc. that this is going to “change the internet”……

    • Kyle says:

      Very bold statement that an “iterative” update is going to change the Internet. Hopefully they do make an ethical move away from the current scheme they are currently offering folks.

      • Lynn says:

        Well, I’m pretty sure the pay structure/recruiting methods will stay just as it is…….updating the interface and adding technical capabilities will only serve to repackage the same scheme. People will still pay a lot of money and will lose a lot of money, except the 1% who continue to profit off of others. I will say that it is that 1% who are VERY excited to start promoting ENV2.

        That same 1% are the ones who actually go to these events and leave them even more mesmorized and ready to recruit more people. I see no end in sight in the near future. More people will part with their money and end up more broke and disillusioned than ever before….

        • Kyle says:

          You can forecast the future by looking at the past. In this case, people can expect the same line of ethics out of the EN program that they expect from the past. A business built on a structured scheme that people “buy into” just so they can promote it to the next person…and so on.

          You don’t see people within EN promoting anything other than EN and there is a reason for that, their only financial model is to sell overpriced, high ticket “all in” products to folks to directly displace money from their bank accounts and put it into theirs. It appears that many folks are waking up to what is going on so this is definitely a good sign.

  143. James says:

    When someone tells you something is worth $1000, but they’re selling it for $25to make it feel like you’re getting a good deal, the products is probably worth LESS than $25

    • Kyle says:

      I would agree with you that this is a typical rule of thumb. Many of the gurus and schemes online use “high value” bonuses to try to convince you that the product you are buying is at a rock bottom price.

      “Buy my product for $7 today and get $10,000 in bonuses!”.

      That sort of snake oil sales is going on everywhere these days it seems. Even worse though is when you say your product is worth $1,000, then you sell it for $25…and then you realize that it is actually worth $0. That is what is happening within EN as they are selling people inferior blogs to that are available online for free. Blogs that don’t force you to promote EN and blogs that can actually ranking in the search engines.

  144. Kelly K says:

    Leila,
    Your post makes me want to cry, I have religiously written blog posts for 5 months every single day and have been pulling my hair out wondering why I am failing when everyone else is out there looking like they are making tons of money… Often my kids sit on my lap as I struggle in front of the computer. So sad.

    Here we are busy Moms and huge suckers trying desperately to make a go of something, which is impossible to succeed at. I truly believed in it. I got up to the $500 mark and have been pushed to get the 15k, by the end of the month I feel like a gambler who goes to the casino and wastes all their money trying to get rich quick when all I really wanted was to give my family a better life and pay off all our debts.

    Kyle can you really teach someone who is not super techy how to get on Google? After over 100 blogs I have no list, no followers, no sign ups, no nothing. My up lines only advice was that I have no “niche” and I should stick to blogging only about Empower and blogging.

    I told them I love my topic, I know they are well written and I know nothing about Internet marketing and they told me to buy the 15k for $1000 I don’t have. I feel sick about the whole thing. And totally confused. :0( PS Is Ashley not the wife of David Wood??

    • Kyle says:

      So sorry to hear about the run around you have been going through Kelly.

      Let’s get a few things straightened out so you can move towards creating a REAL business online. First, you should not be using an Empower blog if you are trying to build success within a niche. These blogs are geared towards only the promotion of EN, they don’t rank, and they are inferior to every free blogging platform I have seen out there. In fact, I can offer you a superior to that within WA (in fact two) that you will be able to use to start a business within any niche.

      Next, your sponsor is pushing you to go up to the next “mark” because they are making MORE money off of you if spend more. It is a sick way of doing business, but that is exactly what is happening. You are being taken advantage of for your money, they could care less about you doing anything else other than spending money or promoting EN to others because that is the only way they are going to make money.

      You absolutely should follow your niche, follow your passion and follow your dreams. Don’t let anyone tell you other wise. The only problem now is that you have not been given proper training or a proper platform to build a business. You are within a scheme that could very well suck you dry if you continue down the path you are on. I do hope you consider either WA or one of the more established, “business building” products/services out there because it does sound like you have all the drive and work ethic necessary to create a good deal of success online.

      If you need anything else or have any further questions, do let me know.

    • Doug says:

      Kelly – if you really like to write you should look into writing “content” for others while you pursue learning about blogging. It will not make you rich, but you can make a bit each month. Oh, and let me also mention that writing or ghost writing is hard work.

  145. Etta says:

    Hey Kyle…just wanted to let you know that a couple of facebook Empower Network members are calling the Denver convention the “No Wussy” event…lol

    • Kyle says:

      No Wussy = Not Willing to Part with $5000.

      That is their marketing strategy and part of the way they operate over there. They need to belittle folks in order to get them to spend money on their high ticket, over priced programs.

  146. Shawn says:

    UPDATE: I took a look at Kyle’s membership site WA and would like to retract my statement about not signing up with him in what he does.

    While I still don’t personally agree with bashing the competition, what Kyle offers seems solid and when I get some time I may even sign up for it myself to take a closer look at the training.

    I don’t usually post comments without due diligence as I don’t like to spread false info, but I didn’t do that tonight and felt I should followup with this to make it right.

    • Kyle says:

      Hey Shawn,

      Glad you did decide to join so you can see where I have been coming from. I have been within the online world for 11 years now and I am by no means in the business of bashing, I have simply had enough of people getting scammed and people taking part in schemes that they are told are completely legitimate when I know otherwise. You wouldn’t believe how many people have come to me asking for help that have spent $1,000’s on products (like the ones within EN) and have missed rent payments and end up with a sub par education and nothing to show for it.

      They are told they “didn’t try” or they “simply are not action takers”…and that is why they didn’t achieve success. I don’t agree with this and I have helped 10,000’s of people create REAL businesses online. This means create them from the ground up, from the initial phase of creating a website right through the content, seo, marketing, and long term business plans. That is what I teach, what we teach, and the ethical approach to creating a business online.

      I can appreciate where you were coming from. I defend things I purchase too. I used to have a Samsung phone (I hated it) but I would defend it at all costs compared to an iPhone even though I knew deep down inside the iPhone was better from my past experiences. Why? Because I made the purchasing decision to buy it and I would feel like an idiot saying that I make stupid decisions with my money. This goes for anything you buy.

      That is exactly what is happening within EN. People are spending $1,000’s on a scheme, only to try to push this same scheme (in order to earn money to others). When you tell them “something is wrong” with what they are doing, they will defend it. Unfortunately, there is no rebut to anything I have said because I am speaking from experience and I am speaking on behalf a massive audience of people that have come to me crying “scam”. It really bothers me because I could offer someone a 20 year education at WA for the price they are paying at EN with better training, better websites, better tools, better support and a much more helpful community. TWENTY YEARS!

      I am here to help man and I would love to work with you going forward and help you create a highly tangible business online. One that works when you are not there, one that can be within whatever niche you want, and one that is sustainable without having the “suck” other people into some sort of scheme. Now that you are a member of WA, you have access to me so make sure you hit me up if you ever need anything.

  147. Ryan says:

    KYLE,

    So what makes what you do so much better? I am all ears …

    • Kyle says:

      I care about people’s success, not earning MONEY off of people. A big difference. You should check out WA if you get a chance, the Starter membership is completely free and offers WAY more than what you are trying to lure people into EN with (a viral blog… you mean a branded WordPress blog you don’t own and that doesn’t rank?…for $25). C’mon man, how can you feel good about promoting that.

  148. Moody says:

    I just wanted to drop you a quick line to “Thanks” for saving me time, money and inevitable disappointment. I received an email from the “Coffee Shop Billionaire” (another piece of trash) that was touting the Empower Network in order to make $100 per day extra. I decided to take a step back do more research. I’m glad I did. My gut told me that something was not kosher – this whole thing wreaks of Thomas Bowdoin Jr.’s “Ad Surf Daily” or their second scam – “Golden Panda Ad Builder” The whole thing was a just an elaborate Ponzi scheme. At least that’s what the US States Attorney’s office declared (in the case of AdSurf & Golden Panda) when they sued, won and convicted the lot of them. I fell victim to that trap – lost 2k.

    I must be a total schmuck, do you know that the video link featuring one of the Dave’s actually got me teary eyed – especially when he got to talking about how he was homeless (I was able to relate to him on that one) and how he took his daughter to DC, bought his mom a new car (cash)..Etc, Etc. Mark my words…this company is going DOWN! You know why – the same reason why Ad Surf Daily went down. The product or service you’re “buying” is WORTHLESS. It’s all smoke and mirrors – just a facade to funnel money to your upline! These people get what they have coming to them. And don’t think for a moment that the US government won’t compel Costa Rica or any other Nation (Cuba, Venezuela & Sudan are some exceptions)to extradite them.

    Is there no decency?
    Moody

    • Kyle says:

      Programs like this continue to thrive because people get suckered into them by people like the ones you mentioned. It is unfortunate and going forward, you should be more careful in the programs you choose to join Moody. Do your due diligence and if you want a hand getting up and running online, have a peak at my Getting Started page. I can definitely help you out (personally).

  149. Vinayak Bhat says:

    Hi Kyle,
    You have done a great job by writing this review about EN. You are gonna save many people’s hard earned money. EN does talk about SEO; their own site is ranked lower in Google’s first page for “Empower Network” keyword. What an Irony!!
    And your site is above EN site for “Empower Network” keyword search. :-)

    • Kyle says:

      It is a little ironic, what is even more ironic is that the very same people that are promoting the “high ranking” SEO blogs and promoting EN are often times not using these blogs. They are not practicing what they preach because they know the blogs don’t rank and frankly superior websites to the ones people are paying $45 per month at EN are available for free online.

  150. Martin says:

    Hi Kyle
    I have read with interest your blog here as well as the other comments from other people almost sucked into Empower network, which my wife and I were considering, but I am definitely not going to touch this now. Thanks

    I have spent a fair amount of money over the last 2 to 3 years trying different schemes out, and I just can’t find what I am looking for.

    I run a business in the health industry, which could be doing better, but as you know with the global recession we have been hit quite hard and had to downsize our premises to a single clinic. Now I have spent a small fortune on this traditional business, but I need a second income which I am hoping can replace the one I have now,without stock, employing staff and all the other costs of a traditional business.As well as the hours and huge committment it takes.

    So my question for you Kyle ( and I apologise for the long winded post ) is there there any way of doing an online business part time, and if you pardon the scammy terminology, and earn a significant amount of money and i’m talking in the region of £10k/$15k to £15k/$20k a month as starters and build up to more, and work from anywhere, at anytime with whom so ever you want, or is it just hype, and you need the full time committment, of 15 hour days, 6 – 7 days per week, and some money to invest?

    Please tell me the honest truth…

    • Kyle says:

      You will never “start” at $10K per month, you have to work towards that. Is that possible? Absolutely. Any amount is possible, there are people earning $100K’s per month and that is not all that uncommon. Before you build a skyscraper though, you must first plot your foundation and that is the approach I am a proponent of. If you think this is going to happen FAST, you are kidding yourself. This is a business and it will take hard work and dedication on your part (which is sounds like you do have a grasp of).

      It all comes down to getting a proper education and having a support system that is there to help you out. Avoid joining a scheme, because in order to keep your revenue coming in you have to “suck” others into the scheme.

  151. Chris says:

    This review is such a joke. It’s sad if anyone believes it.

    • Kyle says:

      Perhaps you would like to disprove anything that I have said. I would love to hear a refute.

      Here are some of the things that you may want to cover:

      (1) Why are you selling people on a $25 per month blog that doesn’t rank?
      (2) Is that the only money they are going to have to pay or are you going to try to force them to go all in?
      (3) Do you make money promoting anything other than EN? If not, how come?
      (4) How many people in Empower have their own niche websites promoting products besides EN? Perhaps you could share a few
      (5) Are you pushing people in your downline to BUY stuff because you make money when they do? Is that the only reason?

      I would love to hear your responses to this when you get a chance Chris.

  152. steven says:

    I knew I should of come here first. I paid my 25 bucks THEN I saw the 100 dollar “special suckers circle” I decided after that to check them out. I know better and I am very frustrated myself. I just want to find away to start working towards income outside of my day job and I just need to know . DO i have to kill myself day in and day out to get there?

    • Kyle says:

      Thankfully you didn’t go for the $100 circle, because that was just the start of what you were going to be “bullied” into buying. There were over $5,000 in products and many conferences that you were going to be called a wussy until you invested in. I can help you get rolling in the right direction Steven, no slight of hand required. I do suggest you check out my Getting Started page here and it will get you moving in the right direction.

  153. Lisa Gallu says:

    Hi Kyle, you had responded to another post of mine under the zeek scam. Well my friend leaves for Denver Thursday and I’m just beside myself. She actually posted in facebook tonight that she is high on life and knows this is going to be the answer to all her dreams. I’ve tried talking to her to no avail. She is helping me out by letting me stay with her family so I’m seeing firsthand all this garbage. I cannot even imagine how much money she has spent on all the convention events besides the actual convention ticket. She is so impressed that they have rented the entire Hard Rock Cafe one night that’s all I’m hearing. Funny money can buy s lot of things including renting out a restaurant for the night. Her and her family are having to look for new housing as we speak and I just know the money she needs for a move is going to be wasted on this BS. I thought she was an intelligent person, even has a background in legal from college but she will not listen to anyone that comments negatively on it. Her 2 yr old has been having various seizures in the past week that have had him hospitalized twuce with no answers yet but she still insists on going. I get the task of watching her son while she is gone and I’m terrified of something happening. Unfortunately its going to take her losing a lot of money before she realizes the stupidity of all this.

    • Kyle says:

      I am sorry to hear about your friend Lisa, but hopefully she will come to her senses. This is a cult like mentality and you probably won’t be able to say or do anything to help her snap out of it. The unfortunate part is that in order to realize any of the “opportunity” within Empower Network, your friend is going to have to sell this exact same “opportunity” to others. That is how the scheme works and the minute she is unable to convince new folks to come into this business and pressure them into buying expensive, low quality “info” products, is the minute that her so-called massive opportunity will fizzle.

      I do wish you and her all the best (and her son) and I hope that you both have a lot of success in the future. If you ever need a hand with anything going forward or need help getting a business of your own up and running online, just let me know.

      • Tracie says:

        I have just wasted a few days and several hours listening to someone try to “convince” me that this is the best thing since sliced bread. And how I can make an enormous amount of money. When I asked “what is the product?,” he couldn’t tell me. I also took the time to watch a 50 minute video of one owners describing how this BS works from his mansion in Costa Rica, I’m assuming. And after wasting almost an hour, I was still confused.

        I’m currently involved in a very respectful direct selling company and I don’t have to “convince” anyone to use my products or to join me in business. The products I sell are consumable and they actually do what they say they do. Plus, I don’t want to have to “push” anyone into anything.

        I live in Denver and this “friend” was trying to get me to sign up and attend this weekend’s hoopla. When I told him I was booked all weekend, he basically “shunned” me saying that if I was smart, I would cancel everything and jump on board. BIG RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE!!

        Thanks for this review. I’m happy I didn’t “drink the Kool-Aid!”

        • Kyle says:

          The convincing turns into bullying and pressuring you to go “all in”. That first $25 to get in the door turns quickly into you spending $5,000+…just so you so-called “friend” can earn money directly off of you. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…

      • Lisa Gallu says:

        Thanks Kyle….I do plan on getting something started online soon as I’m disabled due to two serious auto accidents. As for my friend, she is in Denver as we speak and her talking is very cult like. She has already started pressuring me that I have to spend $125 Wednesday. To appease her I said that I want to wait to see what kind of money she makes first. Her comeback was I have to do it now because they are coming out in 60 days with a social media site bigger then Facebook. I didn’t even respond back she just keeps pressuring me. She has already made plans to go to Dallas in October. I just found out today that the electric is being turned off tomorrow morning but she decided to still go to Denver when if she would have stayed here she could have paid the bill. We live in Houston and its as hot as can be so no power is going to really be fun. Thankfully her son is ok but I’m sure he’s going to be miserable in this heat too. She has posted so much on Facebook its sickening. She already has two of her friends wanting to hear more but my hunch is when they hear what it is they will not be so interested. Her husband wants to know all about this scam so I am going to show him all your comments, thanks for everything.

        • Kyle says:

          This is so sad to hear. The problem is that she is not going to be able to explain what she is selling to you. She is offering your the same dream she has been offered and in order for you to take part in this dream, you need to buy the koolaid from her (that way she makes money off of you). Then in order for you to make money, you need to do the same thing to unsuspecting folks and so on.

          I hope for her sake and the sake of you as her friend that she wakes up before you spends $1,000’s on the courses (that are required to go all-in and that here sponsors are going to want her to do). It is pretty shameful to choose an scheme like this over your own child and over paying your rent and that does prove the state of mind she must be in.

          All the best with your situation.

  154. Etta says:

    I just spent the last few hours reading your reviews of Empower Network. Glad I did. I had my card out, ready to join, then decided to do some digging. That is when I happened upon this. I saw a posting on face book and commented to the guy about it. Since then I have been approached by 3 different people on face book about EN trying to get me to join. Like most people, I have been trying to live paycheck to paycheck, even working not only full time, but also at a part time job. If I want to be insulted and called names, I will stay at my full time job. I am staying as far away from EN as possible. I am going to be doing good to pay my rent this week, so, I know I can’t afford to join.

    It’s really funny too, because the guy who first introduced me to EN, doesn’t put the usual comments on things on f/b, in the comment space he puts in the pre-written shpeel about working from home and making lots of money. And I am really getting sick of the phrase “badass”. Give me a break already. I am definitely going to check out WA and see what it is all about. I am a distributor for a childrens clothing co. in CA. but haven’t had the knowledge of how to start up my own website and blog. Since I don’t have the knowledge, I haven’t been able to connect with people to get them to go to them clothing website to possibly purchase clothing. I would also like to get the word to some big retail co. if at all possible.

    Thank you for your time and your reviews of EN.

    • Kyle says:

      The unfortunate part is that you would have gone from “badass” to “wussy’ really quick if you didn’t fork out the additional $100 per month for the inner circle and the $5,000 for the other products that you are required to buy if you want to be an “all in” customer (which is the only way to get real respect because you are basically giving money directly to your sponsor).

      I would love to work with you and I can definitely give you a hand with your existing business Etta (website, training, and support included).

      • Chuck says:

        Kyle, the way I saw the EN comp plan was that there were no predictability in income because of all the pass-ups. If I came in at $25 and I personally brought my friend in at $5,000, I wouldn’t make squat because I’m only at the $25 level!Also, when you pass-up HALF your people that ain’t a 100% commission! Plus, where are the retail customers?

        • Kyle says:

          Yeah, exactly. And it is by no means 100% commissions that is touted and sold to people when they join. It is 100% for certain commission, but overall it works out to be much less and you can only earn if you SPEND a good deal of my buying into those programs. That is where they get you on the “going all in” aspect, because to earn money selling the same fromage to others, you need to own it.

          And there are no retail customers. Without the sponsor-based “scheme” of it, nobody would spend $5,000 on the overpriced products. No way…

  155. MH says:

    This whole post and thread is pretty funny. Yes, I’m a current EN member, but I’m a very straightforward individual…meaning I won’t lie when it comes to explaining how EN works.

    Take the $25 blog for example:

    I used for a little while (like 40 blog posts), but I got annoyed with it because you can’t really customize it the way you like…and I’d rather promote my domain instead of someone elses company. I also noticed that it wasn’t ranking worth a damn in Google. I have a number of posts from my own blog that rank better than people using their EN blog…and I have gotten more leads from my own blog than EN’s.

    Most members won’t admit it, but ALOT of the top earners don’t even use their blogs…so why are they encouraging their downline to use theirs?

    Easy. They want your recurring payment of $25 bucks every month. Same goes for the Inner Circle. They know damn well paying $100 dollars a month for audio trainings (that you can get for free by just listening to the Monday night EN call) is not worth the money. It’s really just a bunch of “hoopla rah rah” sessions in my opinion. Stories are great, but living in a van or being a former drug addict has nothing to do with learning how to make an income online. You’re making good money now, so all of that “rags to riches” mess is irrelevant at the present moment.

    So why pay for the Inner Circle? Easy. They want your recurring payment of $100 as well. Let’s be real here…there’s no way most members would buy this stuff if it wasn’t required to in order to resell it to others.

    Just because people want to earn an income online doesn’t mean they have to go broke doing so…and that’s what EN encourages more or less. Think about it, if EN was really teaching you to build a “business”, you wouldn’t have to buy $5000 worth of products and be in the negative as soon as you get started. You would be basically operating at a loss.

    I remember I heard about the event in Austin, Tx. where David had everyone who had made a commission stand up in the audience and then went on to say how a high percentage of EN members at the event have made money.

    What he failed to do was ask how much money did they invest before they made a commission. So even if someone made a $25 sale, but went “all in” at $5,125…they are still $5,100 in the hole.

    I can go on and on, but this is just a glimpse into what goes on in EN. I’m pretty sure I’ll be back lol.

    P.S. I signed up as a free member of WA a few days ago…looks very good so far. Don’t worry, there’s no hypnotizing or sob stories within the training lol.

    • Kyle says:

      Mike, you are one of the smart ones…there is no doubt about that and I can tell that you have a bright future ahead of you. Most people in the system just assume the system is ethical and that is the right thing to do, because they are listening the “hoopla rah rah” (as you stated) within the training, the live webinars, and from their sponsored relentlessly telling them it is the right thing to do in attempt to bleed more money out of their pockets (and into their own coffers).

      I want to help you, but I want to do so in a way where at the end of the day you are going to feel good about what you created and where you are going to earn a consistent online revenue (and sustainable one), by helping people…regardless of the niche you choose.

    • Edward Walter says:

      The Empower blog is customizable (see mine legitpress.com). You need at least 60 well written blog post with the right keywords. strategically place throughout the blog post and you will get 5 to 10 leads every day. It works for me. Of course, if you have money, advertising goes a lot faster. I have also discovered that many of the big earners have started to blog now that many advertising systems have become watered down and too expensive.

      • Kyle says:

        60 well written blog posts? Whoever taught you that has no idea what they are talking about. Strategically placing keywords within the article? That will in no way lead to rankings. Perhaps you should get some REAL training online and get yourself a website that is hosted on your own domain, not a redirect.

        The irony of the “big earners” not using the blog system at EN is because they know it is not a good idea.

  156. Kyla says:

    I was so close to paying that $25 but something told me to research it. So are there any good ones?

  157. Dawn says:

    I was a dumb dumb and believed the hype. Paid my $25 to find out that if I wanted to get anywhere I should really invest $3k! If I had that kind of money I wouldn’t be looking at something like this. I am so sick and tired of low-life leeches like these people trying to scam desperate, genuine people out of their precious money. Is there NO real opportunity out there?!

    • Kyle says:

      Your story sounds all too familiar. You join for the $25 Viral Blogging and then your sponsor immediately tries to get you to upgrade to the Inner Circle…and then belittles you until you part ways with up to $5,000 more for your “investments” into the program. This has to stop and by you exiting before it was too late (and you lost a bunch of money), you are helping put and end to the this cycle/scheme that preys on the vulnerable.

      And in respect to “getting real help”, I would love to invite you to check out how the process of making money online really works. Head over the the “How does it work” page on my site here and I will get you moving in the right direction Dawn.

  158. rich says:

    How should I trust an obvious amature? I’ll do my own research thank you. CHECK YOUR TYPOS fool. You look rediculous.

    • Kyle says:

      The irony in your comment is no different than the irony that the folks exude within EN (and it is very clear that you are an active member of Empower).

      And of course, you obviously have no rebut to any of the statements that I have mentioned or any of the feedback that others have had about Empower Network. The problem is that you cannot validate WHY you are charging people $25 per month for a blog that doesn’t rank or that they don’t own, $19 per month to get paid, another $100 per month for audios that should be free…and $5,000 for overpriced training packages. The reason. It is all about you making MONEY at the expense of others and that is what the entire scheme you are involved in is based upon.

      One day you will wake up and realize that you are selling hot air to people that are easily gullible.

      I wish you all the best.

  159. Jerry says:

    Hi Kyle,

    Thanks for all the valuable input. It doesn’t matter what anybody say, you know what you are talking about.

    I am a member of Empower Network and have not actively started any blogging or marketing yet, I think deep down inside I knew that I can’t promote something that I do not believe in 100%. Now I know whay I didn’t start.

    I must admit that if one put all the hype aside, one will realise that you are actually branding Dave and Dave, and not your own dreams or opportunities.
    I definitely will not try and discredit and person or opportunity out there, but it is very important that people go into something with their eyes open. Take all the information out there and make an informed decision.

    It is also very important that one gives value to potential buyers first, before you try and sell them a product. I feel that with Empower you buy, and then you hope that you will get value out of products that are very expensive.

    I did however get value from the products in EN, whether it was value for money remains to be seen (I am still a newbie in Internet Marketing). I think I will only know once I join your programme
    .
    What is very interesting is that most of the EN leaders own blogs/websites is ranking higher than EN – it must make one wonder: What is going on here? EN claims that their platform is ranking very high?

    What is very important for me is to be integral and honest in all dealings with people – you look to be one of the very few people that have that trait.
    Thanks again for all your valuable posts.

    • Kyle says:

      I agree Jerry, that should set off some immediate red flags. The “entrance” selling point for anyone promoting EN (which is all anyone within Empower actually promotes) is a blog for $25 per month and another $19.95 per month. You don’t own these things, they don’t rank, and the very sponsors that are trying to recruit you do not use them.

      Why would they do that to someone?

      First, they want to make money at any cost…which always means displacing money from someone else who likely needs it much more than they do. Secondly, they are told to do this. Everyone within Empower Network promotes Empower Network. I have yet to see someone come forward with a successful business in another niche as result of EN and I think that is very telling of what this program is.

  160. Totally Disenchanted Former All In Member says:

    Kyle, thanks for putting this information out there. I am a former “All In” member as of a few minutes ago who’s been feeling that something wasn’t right for awhile. I actually stopped all activity over a month ago, and your article is what put me over the top and made me immediately go clean out all my blog posts (don’t even want to be affiliated in any way)and cancel all my subscriptions. I’ve even started to unsubscribe to all the email lists and unfriend a few of the people on my FB friend list that really promote it hard.

    Here are my reasons and then I am going to paste something at the end (a excerpt from an email marketing message I just got a few minutes ago) that will blow your mind.

    1. First and foremost I am a Christian and I got really tired of all the cursing and anti-Christian views that are freely expressed throughout the video marketing, the calls, the training, and even the live event. To me that is totally inappropriate and unnecessary. I would be saying the same if it was any religion. I noticed at the last event that they have toned down the cussing somewhat because I think they started to realize that families are involved and people are getting fed up with it. However, I shouldn’t have to feel like I can’t freely share what I do with people in my social network because of the fear of exposing my church family (or anyone really) to the inappropriateness or the uncomfortable feeling of representing something that’s against what I stand for. I even tried to completely customize my “blog”, but that became a waste of time when EN forced the “badass” button on everyone. Its a button of a scull and the word badass on every page right at the top. To some people thats not a big deal, but to me and a lot of people it is.

    2. I got tired of all the hype and rehashing of the same stories over and over again. I stopped getting on the weekly call long ago because I felt it was a waste of time – the same message every week. Join and go all in. I felt like I was always searching for how people are really making this work. Sometimes I would get an answer depending on who the interview was with, but it usually involved high cost, or only part of the information needed to be successful.

    3. I went to the live event and there were some good speakers. I enjoyed myself for the most part, but at the end of the day it was a rah rah session for getting people excited and going all in. It is not a pitch fest for other products, but do they seem to pitch going all in all day! Also if you’re not into group hypnosis (which was a little creepy to me) then this is not the event for you! The most impressive part to me was the training I got from my team’s mastermind the Monday after it was all over, but at this point it doesn’t matter because the info was mostly geared toward promoting EN.

    4. The blog platform is horrible! The default theme had nothing but EN promotion all over it which was confusing for my topic of choice. For someone just wanting to blog its not a good idea. Once I switched over to the custom theme it seemed all of the features were disabled (specifically I remember being annoyed that I could use google analytics anymore – if you can’t track your visitors how can you optimize??). You can’t add your own plug-ins at all, and its very difficult to get the formatting right.

    5. Lastly I began to become disgusted with the general feel of the community where everyone is promoting to each other side systems and tools that supposedly give you automatic sign-ups. There are member sites that charge an arm and a leg to get you leads when if you just cut out the middle man and learn how to get leads yourself, the cost is much less! I experienced this first hand with my friend promoting one of these systems to me and it felt very sleezy. She asked me to join several times, along with a few other people, with the premise that she wanted to help me get on stage and so do the owners (thats what they all say), but I knew that she also would get a commission. The problem is people are leveraging small successes of signing up people that eventually quit not too long after. The leads are NOT very targeted. Plus its just another thing to promote which can be very confusing for unsuspecting people looking to cut corners. They only waste more money.

    Here is an example of someone promoting one of these systems and it is APPALLING the type of language that is used:

    This email is from an Independent Empower Network Affiliate and not directly from Empower Network LLC.

    Hey

    I’m not sure if you’ve been paying any attention to what’s been going on. with me over the last few weeks…

    but if you check out the competition boards i’m up in the Top 80 of the company right now… and that’s huge being that there’s over 150k affiliates in the company right now…

    so how am i signing up folks daily ranking in the contest and getting members to come in an up grade.. well it’s because of what {Team Name} has

    allowed the rest of Empower to take advantage of..

    that’s thier client Aquisition program..!

    yes you can now purchase empower network paying members and also be able to gift them to your team.!

    so what does this mean for you ?
    well it means that if you act now and up grade to at least the 15k formula you’re going to get

    team members injected into your business for free.. and you’ll be shown exactly how to get members into your business by clicking your mouse and i’ll show you last but not lest how to get free

    sign ups with out ever picking up the phone or spending another dime on paid traffic!

    now keep in mind this is an income infusion and not ment to replace the 15k formular and the costa rica trainings…

    i’m sharing this with you because I want you to have some income success and actually make money here with Empower network…

    as we’ll be at the Event in Denver next week… and then we’re off to Costa rica

    you know how passionate I am about seeing you succeed! believe me you can do it!

    if you’ve already upgraded and I have told you that i’m gifting you free members not to worry your members are in the cue or will be shortly..

    keep in mind with the contest going on right now there’s up to a 30 day cue wait for your members!

    but not to worry I’m going to show you how to maximize and leverage these tools that are in place to put you in the best

    profit position!

    Me again…

    I called it appalling because the language is borderline that of buying slaves back in the day. I know that is dramatic, but he’s talking about buying paying members and gifting them to his team!! These are people for crying out loud. People who are totally clueless that they’ve been “bought”. If you notice he pushes for getting at least the 15K course in order to participate in this gifting (getting team members for free).

    Kyle I know you will be all over this. I think I will end it here, but for those of you on the fence… hear this from someone who was ALL IN and just got out… DON’T DO IT! SAVE YOUR MONEY please. I wish I had seen this months ago.

    • Kyle says:

      I think all of the issues with the program are completely valid and that you will find that these are some of the biggest concerns that other folks have that have been active members within EN.

      The cursing is not appropriate at all and to anyone that thinks it is “cool” when a business curses, I would argue the exact opposite. It is cool when a business does not need to use vulgar language and the fact that in order to become a “badass” within the program you need to spend your “rent money” (as many people have to do), that is pathetic. The bully tactics used within this program are definitely creating a lot of backlash and it sounds as though you have had your fair share of these experiences.

      I still can’t believe they are using a 12 year old boy to sell the program. It is the “story of success” that a 12 year old made $3,000 per month for 4 months in a row (like that is supposed to be outlandishly impressive to begin with). The unfortunate part of all of this is that he was promoting EN to others and from the very get go, he is learning methods of making money that are unethical. I can still remember back to when I was 13 and I worked 16 hour days (doing a real job) and made $3,000 per month the ethical way.

      As you said, the information and training materials are geared around promoting EN. I have yet to see someone come to me arguing that Empower Network has showed them how to make money within their own niche and with visible proof they knew what they are doing. Instead I heard the same old “you suck Kyle”, EN is the best…without a lick of quantifiable evidence other than you can make money by sucking other people into the very same scheme.

      You stated:

      The blog platform is horrible! The default theme had nothing but EN promotion all over it

      That is exactly what I have been trying to tell those that say “you can promote any niche you like”. Have you have ever walked into a bank and had them try to sell you a toaster oven? That is like promoting ANY product besides EN on an Empower blog. It just won’t work and there is a reason these blogs are overtly promotional towards the program itself…they DO NOT WANT PEOPLE PROMOTING ANYTHING BUT EMPOWER!

      I do thank you for stopping by and you I do think that your personal insights are going to help the folks that are on the fence as to whether or not this program is legitimate or not. It is clearly in the “gray area” of the business world and like you and MANY others, I share the opinion that this program is highly unethical.

    • Felt Like $&#! says:

      I am another victim of EN now Victor!! I joined in March this year. I did not go “ALL IN” but I spent still about two grand with EN and all the other scammers within EN promoting their traps.

      I really thought that EN was a blessing. I thought it would be a blessing for single mothers, and help stop government dependency. I take my responsibility in joining EN and it is my fault I got took. I should have looked at the income disclosure. I assumed that it stated that “these are not typical results. results depend on how hard you work” And did not look because I knew it was possible to make money online if you have the right tools.

      It was not until someone told me to look at it. At that moment I realized these people are straight scammers and thieves. They always put down college students and I am a college student and because I AM a college student,I automatically knew the game and everyone in its game. These people put down anything that is sound and pervert the truth to a lie.I felt like crap..please excuse me but that is how I felt.

      What was really sick the person who told me to read the income disclosure (ID)knew what it read and tried to tell me he was going to make money and be honest with people O.o he must thought since I’d been played a foul I was still a fool. That is impossible mathematically and can not be done with out deception,no matter how you try to dress it up or put sugar on it, it’s still a lie.

      I am also a Christian and this is where I made my other mistake. I didn’t find out what the bible said about “get rich schemes” this is what the bible says:
      Proverbs 13:11
      Wealth gained hastily will dwindle, but whoever gathers little by little will increase it.
      Proverbs 28:19-20 Whoever works his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits will have plenty of poverty. A faithful man will abound with blessings, but whoever hastens to be rich will not go unpunished.
      Proverbs 22:16 Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty.

      The guy who told me to look at the ID..stated that he was a christian (wolf in sheep clothing)also took money from me. Before he disclosed the income statement to me, he contacted me though fb and perfect timing (I had just spent $1000,$700 on that lead generation which they gave me 147 leads for $700 and my “sponsor” after I spent the money treated me like I was glunk on your shoe.)I was crying and in a mess. He told me that he would build a website for me for free. I thought that FINALLY someone who really cares about my success..he told me that to make money I needed to have my own website, which sound true. He made me a website I paid $65 for domain name and hosting…then he said that he is making money with EN and he’s been in internet marketing for 20 years and he is from Canada. He told me that he is an expert in SEO and he has a special program to put my website ranking top in google and yahoo. He stated that he usually charges $500 but for me he will only charge me $150. I told him what happen to me I guess he wanted his cut too. This all happen in a matter of a week. During that week he was promoting webinars, on how to market, when I went to his EN website, guess who’s website he was using??

      When I told him that he basically scammed me and still doing EN is against everything that God stands for, he stated “I don’t socialize with negative hurtful people. You lost a great friend. I deleted you from fb and now I’m am with twitter too. Just to let you know. You give God a bad name with you actions” I stated back “The truth always hurts.. I already unfriend you from fb. I forgot about twitter. I do not want want to be connected to someone(s) who are building wealth thru deception.. Your selling your soul. Dishonest money never last.” He said “My love for God is very big. Thou shalt not judge pharaseee.” I didn’t respond. Proverbs 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. I kept the mean text messages he sent me to remind me how cruel people can be. I want to warn anyone out there about this guy and tell you his name but these are the kind of people who represent EN.

      I did the same thing I cancel my subscription and unfriend a bunch of people on fb. And probably 50 to 75 people unfriend me on their own (so grateful..lol).

      I’ve learned research everything, even if you believe someone verify. Never let anyone rush you in making any decisions. MLM, Network Marketing all are built on a the same concept with a over priced product…that requires a monthly out pocket expense to make a profit..
      I will stay in school :D

      • Kyle says:

        Wow,it sounds like you have had quite the journey but an all to similar one that folks are experiencing within EN. The reason people make money within EN is because they are taking money from others. The only way the “others” can make money is by continuing this down the chain. The products are there as a facade for what is really going on here and those that are paying to go “all in” are being pressured (like yourself) to doing so.

        Sponsors are there to make money off of you. If you don’t buy all the overpriced packages and you act like a “wussy”, they don’t make money off of you. That is how the business works and that is how it is going to continue as long as people continue getting sucked into the doldrums of this “scheme” (not to be mistaken for an actual business opportunity because people ARE NOT creating businesses).

        Thanks for stopping by and I do wish you all the best in the future. There are legit programs out there and I hope you spend some time and do your due diligence before jumping into anything next time around.

        • Michael Taylor says:

          “The reason people make money within EN is because they are taking money from others.”

          Holy cow! This is EXACTLY what happens when I go to Wal-Mart or McDonald’s! They take my money…AND THAT’S HOW THEY MAKE MONEY! D:

          I’m SO glad you pointed out this nefarious scheme to me! It turns out EN isn’t the only ones who do this…big companies like Microsoft and Apple are ALSO making money by taking money from others! When will the madness end?!

          Thank you so much, Kyle. You’re surely a life saver.

          • Kyle says:

            You are not really comparing EN to McDonalds or Walmart are you? These are both companies that sell tangible products to customers. REAL companies.

            What you are doing is selling people on the idea of making money…and then in order for them to do the same thing, they have to sell the idea to others. Yes, there are products within EN but they are just a mechanism for you to “bully” people into going all in so you can make money directly from people.

            The $25 per month VIRAL (not sure how they are viral) blogs do not rank in Google, they cannot be used to promote any product other than EN, and you actually do not own the content. You can get MUCH better blogs for free.

            So right away you are TAKING money from others. Why wouldn’t you promote a free, superior blog to these people instead then…because YOU care about making money and that is it.

            Then $19.95 for the ability to be paid. This is the only affiliate program I have EVER seen to charge people money in order to get paid. The reason this is in place is because no REAL credit card company or reputable merchant would touch a scheme like Empower.

            Then people have to pay another $100 per month for some “audio” motivation.

            Then another $5,000 to go “all-in” (and be a badass).

            Then they have to attend conferences.

            A lot of money to dole…and in the end what do they have. The opportunity to promote this exact same crooked scheme to others. But you are OK with promoting this program to your downline because YOU are making money. That is it. This is greed and you are doing people a disservice.

            I do wish you all the best Michael and I hope one day you realize that what you are doing is not even close to operating a real company and you are way off base trying to compare this to a BUSINESS like Wal-mart of McDonalds. Those are real companies that sell tangible products to customers.

    • Rose says:

      Wow! So agree with you! I am a new member of EN and when I watched a recorded session in Dec. at one of the homes of the Dave,s I was so sick by amount of time the “badass” word was used and putting down educated people….but what really made me turn off the video was when Dave used the name of God in one of his ” favorite sentences” . Thanks for this article.
      Tomorrow I will say goodbye to EN.

      • Kyle says:

        Yeah, the language definitely offends a lot of people, but that is definitely part of the marketing angle. They don’t want wussies, they want badasses (which is hidden language for, if you don’t buy our stuff you are not worth our time).

  161. Mary says:

    Thank you Kyle,
    I receive so many promos. I have looked EN over and over and I was wondering what the product was. It so funny that you have clarified that for me!NO PRODUCT!!!

    I want to share something of value. My blogs are just a hobby right now (that isn’t what I was hoping) but at least I am giving something that I care about and hope to figure it all out someday.

    For all the lies online, there are some great people. I came across your site a long time ago, and always wanted to join your membership site when I started making money.
    I am glad I came upon this review! Thanks again, Mary

    • Kyle says:

      Hi Mary,

      The best way to earn money online is to take a passion and run within it. That is the beautiful thing about the Internet, it is so vast and the audience is over 2 billion people wide, so you can be working within any niche and you can be very successful online. And if you want to get started at WA, you can definitely do so for FREE (no catches). This will get you moving in the right direction with your existing business and you will be able to network with myself and others inside of the community.

      Thanks for stopping by!

  162. FoosGirl says:

    Wow…was I feeling the pressure of the high-pressure video sales pitch. I decided to go to the corporate website…almost feel for its modern minimalist slick and professional appearance. Then I decided to Google “Empower Network scam” and lo and behold I find this page and others speaking to the true nature of this online “money making opportunity.” THANK YOU for saving me from myself and the wrath and disappointment of my husband for wasting money.

    • Kyle says:

      Yeah, there are lots of reviews (real ones) out there that will accurately depict what is actually taking place within this program. When you look behind the people relentlessly promoting EN on Facebook and other social mediums and people gloating about how great it is (without actually know what it is they are offering others…a scheme!), you will realize this is nothing more than a new school ponzi. It relies on “newcomers” to fund the upline and it relies on bullying to get people to part with more money.

      I think you made the right decision.

  163. Ashley says:

    Wow! My Higher Self told me to come back here to see something…not knowing what that “something” was until I saw what Kyle said… So you’re the owner of WA????!!!! REALLY PEOPLE! Anyone who feeds into this guy’s crap is super small minded! This guy is clearly only here to get your money! He thinks he’s clever! However there’s people out here like me who is quick to air out the truth! This Kyle guy came up with WA, a program he has stated himself, is similiar to EN! If my company is so ridiculous, why mimic it Kyle? I know why, because you thought you were clever, and you thought you would be able to get EN’s audience, which is huge by the way, to be dumb enough to get in your program. So lets make a system like it and tell all of their members and the people thinking of joining them it’s a scam, and I’ll be rich! I would ask for feedback from your team at WA, but this is your blog, so of course you can go in as other names and give fictitious testimonies! I’m good on that! But to anyone reading this who cares about what this guy has to talk about…consider this. Do you think he has the capacity to support you all? What if, just as with other newbies, you have a lot of essay questions for him? He won’t help newbies! I guarantee you he won’t! But my team will! Kyle chill out with all the bashing man…come on back to the “grand daddy” of these wanna be programs…including yours! As I stated before, I sincerely apologize for everyone’s misfortune with EN, if any. EN will help you market ANYTHING you do! Kyle just disgusts my spirit with his blurt outs about how we only teach you to market EN. We here at Empower Network is full of culture, compiled of people from all over the world and different walks of life. What “Peanut Brain”<-Kyle

    • Kyle says:

      Wow! My Higher Self told me to come back here to see something…not knowing what that “something” was until I saw what Kyle said… So you’re the owner of WA????!!!!

      Yeah, I am the owner of WA, glad you sorted that out as I explicitly explain this throughout my site. You stated “I am here to get your money”, in fact, quite the contrary. I am offering people a solution (only if they are interested) to work within a company, Wealthy Affiliate, that has been around since 2005 and has been an industry leader teaching Internet Business to 100,000’s of folks since then.

      We are not a mimic of EN, we have been around much longer and we actually providing training on how to create a business online, within any niche and leveraging many different marketing techniques. We also cover a broad range of training within WA and help everyone from local marketers, to domain marketers, to SEO experts, to PPC marketers. We are not an MLM scheme and we offer a completely FREE Starter membership that exceeds the value of what you are “trying” to get people to pay for. How ethical does that make you?

      You stated “Do you think he has the capacity to support you all?”. Yes, actually and we take pride in it. Business is not just about taking money from others and I hope that one day you will come to your senses and realize this. You are promoting a blog system ($25) that should be free, merchant accounts so people can be affiliates (which should be free), and audio “rah rah” training for $100 per month…then $5,000 in one time course packages. I can offer 20 years of WAY better education and support and tools and services for the same price.

      But I guess that makes you more ethical. I will just continue being a peanut brain and selfless help folks create “REAL” business online while you continue bullying people into going all-in for low end training just so you can make a buck. Kudos to you and I wish you all the best.

      PS. At no point did you educate us on how Empower Network is a quality program and how my arguments are invalid (and I think there is a reason for that).

  164. leila says:

    Hi Kyle
    Thanks for the interesting and informative article on EN. After reading this and a few other reviews I have decided to cancel my EN membership. I joined only 6 wks ago and was totally sucked in with all the hype but then the alarm bells were ringing when:

    1. All EN links are banned from FB as scam
    2. Constant harassment to get ALL IN
    3. I realised i was getting all my seo training from youtube and not EN.
    4. My youtube vids were getting to first page of google but not my blog posts
    5. No real training from my sponsor just videos getting u amped with no follow through
    6. the FINAL straw came when i realised ALL my EN links i had shared on google+ were instantly removed!!!

    How can anyone in EN claim this can work when google is banning them as spam!!

    I am so pi****d at the amount of time and money i have wasted with this and feel guilty as Im a single mom with a little 2 yr old boy, I have put all my time and effort into this and not given him the attention he deserves and for what.. so dave and dave have more content out there they are stealing from us the ones who stupidly paid to write it!!
    I plan on coping/taking my content to a new site and deleting everything on EN that i have made before cancelling my next mth subscription.

    If your reading this and your trying to get out of EN try to do this so your not giving them all your content and im sure your pic too.. just so they keep it personal!

    The whole cult leader totally struck a cord as that is just what dave wood is like, i should of know better after I grew up in a cult with my family and escaped when I was 14.

    Maybe too much information but I am so angry at dave wood for conning my again.

    Thanks Kyle i will check out your offer when my faith in human nature is restored.

    • Kyle says:

      I am sorry that you had to go through all of this before you came to this stark realization that what you were doing may not be right. I hope that I can help you restore your faith in human nature and if you do need a hand with anything going forward, please do let me know and I can get you moving in the right direction. Thanks for stopping by with your insights into EN and I wish you all the best Leila!

  165. Evan says:

    hey Kyle,

    Some people tend to look at Empower network in either being black or white colored

    Well, it is somewhere in between.

    There are many pros and cons about EN.

    1/ the blogging system: To be honest, I have not used it. I have even advised some of the members on the Facebook group to use their own blogs, so that they can have full control over them. I don’t see why you have to pay someone to blog, when it can be done for FREE. Yet, even if you use free platform such as WP, it is still good to get a good course/coaching on blogging ( just a time saver at the end of the day).

    2/ The Innner circle: it has quite interesting videos., motivational and not. And most of the people who have succeeded online should agree the technical skills without proper mindset will lead to NOwhere.

    3/ Coaching: mastering any sort of skill, including making Money takes time, and/or money, whichever you have more of.
    Sometimes it is much cheaper to spend $5 or $10k on the right coaching, and start moving on forward, instead of digging yourself in the send, and trying to rediscover the wheel. I personally spent 2 years time and > $15K on products trying to figure things out.
    So, the question is: how much is your time worth?
    Just going to the cheapest public college for 1 years will cost you >10k. is it worth it???

    4/ Does Empower network have a product?
    EN is the product itself. The “expensive” Costa Rica Retreat , and so on products are simply “personal development/growth” products.
    Do you think FTC will anytime ban Les Brown or Tony Robbins for selling their Motivational products???
    And how much a coaching from Tony Robbins would cost you? How would you quantify the benefit you possibly reap from his coaching?

    5/ Can everyone make money with EN?
    The answer is YES. But the answer is what are you willing to give, in order to get?
    If you are a beginner/enthusiast marketer, and are expecting to get rich overnight  forget about it! The closet undertaking that could provide you with such result is either:

    a/ win the lottery
    b/ rob a bank

    You decide which one is for..:)

    • Kyle says:

      Hey Evan,

      Thanks for stopping by, I do have found some apparent flaws in your logic and I hope you will revisit these items with me here and explain where you are coming from…

      1/ the blogging system: To be honest, I have not used it. I have even advised some of the members on the Facebook group to use their own blogs.

      Yet you sell people on the idea of joining Empower for $25 to get access to the Viral Blogging System. So you are saying this should be free, but you are recommending people pay YOU so they can access this system. Then another $19.95 so they can do the same thing to others. Not sure how this is ethical, but perhaps you could fill me in. You can get WAY better blogs for free and it sounds like you are aware of this…yet you are going against your gut instinct and taking people’s money so you can “have more”? Is that your only goal?

      2/ The Innner circle: it has quite interesting videos., motivational and not. And most of the people who have succeeded online should agree the technical skills without proper mindset will lead to NOwhere.

      I agree you need the right mindset, but you also need the skills to create a business. Mindset by itself is not adequate and the fact of the matter is, these audios are geared towards influencing you to promote Empower Network to others. You like everyone else in EN is promoting EN. Do you not know how to promote products in a niche of your own? If so, they why are you promoting a program that is trying to sell people a blog that they don’t own and that doesn’t rank for $25? You think that you would move in a direction where you could feel good about what you are doing.

      3/ Coaching: Sometimes it is much cheaper to spend $5 or $10k on the right coaching, and start moving on forward, instead of digging yourself in the send, and trying to rediscover the wheel.

      What if I told you I had a much cheaper solution than Empower that provided much more advanced training within a community that cares. Would you be interested in promoting that instead? I can tell you that there are much better places to get educated and I know one of the intimately and I would encourage you to go check it out. Instead of trying to sell people on $5,000 in upsells (going “all in”), you could be telling them that they could get a 15 year education (websites, support, live video classes, classrooms, community, expert help, keyword tools, hosting, etc ALL included).

      But I guess there is a bit more money in RIPPING people off….

      4/ Does Empower network have a product? EN is the product itself.

      Really. Can you sell this product to customers without them having to be involved in EN? The last time I checked you had to be part of a levelled scheme in order to sell the products or own the products, because rest assured, if these products were being sold to the outside world without having a system (ponzi like) behind it, they would not be selling all that well. They are overpriced and in many cases, should be free.

      And how much a coaching from Tony Robbins would cost you?

      I see many of you comparing EN to Tony Robbins, who himself is a scam. Bad comparison. It is called preying on the weak and putting people in debt that are willing to pay for a little bit of “hope”.

      5/ Can everyone make money with EN? The answer is YES. But the answer is what are you willing to give, in order to get? The closest undertaking that could provide you with such result is either:

      a/ win the lottery
      b/ rob a bank

      In essence, you ARE robbing a bank. You are taking money directly from someone’s bank account and putting it into YOURS…so they can have the opportunity to do the same to others. Don’t you find this to be “sick”? The only way people are making EN is by pushing others into their downline, I have yet to see a tangible business owner come out of EN…in other words, someone that is not making money by solely getting others to join into the scheme via their downline.

      You have a choice in life in respect to your ethics and how you go about making money. You may want to reconsider your approach because you have been brainwashed into thinking what you are doing is actually helping someone.

      • Terence Williams says:

        Hey Kyle, great post but why even respond to this guy!? #1 he said he never used the system and that right there disqualifies anything else he has to say! You did a great post and congratulation on being at the top for the search “Empower Network”. Somebody has to be there since the company can’t seem to rank for it’s own damn name. That should tell people something right there. #Pathetic

        • Kyle says:

          There are a lot of folks that say they “are not” members of EN, yet they defend it. This is a red flag to me right away and is an obvious giveaway. The problem is that nobody can effectively defend the program and therefore they will typically resort to name calling.

      • Jesse Singh says:

        Kyle,

        Your last statement I don’t agree with. How is someone paying you for the blogging platform robbing the bank? How is the customer that WANTS the blogging system and paying your directly for you, robbing the bank? So what it has a multi-level pay out, but I don’t consider that robbing the bank.

        How do you make money Kyle? Or do you give all your stuff for free?

        • Kyle says:

          I make money like every other ethical person out there, by helping people. I give things to people that are free and tell people where to get them for free if it is available for free. So yes, by you selling an inferior blog system (assuming you are within the EN scheme) to people when a superior product is available for free, this is no different than robbing people. If you are knowingly doing this, it speaks volume as to how you operate in business.

  166. hans says:

    I wasn’t fooled for a moment . I got some stupid email video from a lady I’ve never heard of. All I heard sampling the 16 min video is “I’m rich and god wants you to be rich too, get in on this opportunity”.
    I guess I was simply bored catching up on the financial news.

    Hmm no thanks, I’d rather earn my living the honest way “trading derivatives”.

  167. Mark says:

    I was almost there man. They do know how to prey on the weak – I’m living pay-check to pay-check and thought this could get me somewhere.WRONG!! so glad I found this site. The big turn off for me was a video in which “costo-rica dave” went swimming with some other idiots (Can you say drunk, college low life’s)and this guy dives in at the base of this water fall where the water is swirling around and sucks him under (like waterfalls do…) and dave “saves” him. Man, he was freaky after that – “I saved his life” “I brought his life back so he could be around to see the true successes of life through EN” it was really scary to watch and all I could think was “cult-leader” he has those freaky eye’s! Man will this guy please just go AWAY! Buyer beware!!!!!
    Marc

    • Kyle says:

      If you look around there are some really bizarre college “frat” like party videos with very little content, a lot of swearing and a lot of talk about going “all in” if you want to ever become a badass. I am glad you came to your senses quickly Mark, I think you understand that a legitimate business requires a real education and understanding of how “business” actually works, not a rah rah session that tells you that you are great because you are “part” of something. If you ever need a hand with anything going forward, I am here to help you man.

  168. Karen says:

    I just unsubscribed and deactivate my account with them . Im so glad I read this article. The eerie things you mentioned in regards to the basic package and then paying the additional money just to get paid, I thought was a ripoff and you barely get what you pay for. I’m so glad I did this thanks for yhe article. You saved from wasting a lot of money.

    • Kyle says:

      If you could elaborate on your experience with EN, the folks reading this thread would love to hear it Karen. Also, I would love to help you create a tangible business online and if you ever need a hand with this, here is the process for getting started. Thanks for stopping by and I wish you all the success in your future!

  169. tony says:

    I saw two programs the starter and the premium package..can you make money with the starter program first

    • Kyle says:

      You can definitely get up and running on the Starter Tony, you have full control over your website and you can promote whatever you like on your site. We also offer you training and support within the Starter. If you want some more info on it, have a look at my outline within the side menu to the right.

  170. joe says:

    Most everything in society is built like a pyramid. There’s a top down structure in most every company out there. But yet the pyramid has become somehow sononomous with scam. I just think that’s odd. It’s A CONSPIRACY! LOL

    • Kyle says:

      Actually, companies are not pyramids, they are companies. Someone starts a business, they do well and they HIRE people to do tasks. How the architecture works is dependent on the company, to compare this to a pyramid scheme is absolutely ridiculous. I am not sure who has been brainwashing this idea into you that a company is a pyramid scheme, but it must be someone that actually is part of a pyramid scheme (and is defending the fact that they are REALLY unethical).

      • steve says:

        Really Can you the hired help ever make more than the ceo? no, therefore pyramid the guy at the top gets all…
        if you put as much effort into promoting EN as you have bagging them, then you just might have been successful at something for once in your life.
        What product does Tony Robins sell for $10K is he a scam?

        • Kyle says:

          A CEO is not necessarily at the top of the pryamid and to comparing your role at EN to owning an actual company is a ridiculous comparison. Companies have an architecture of employees and they ALWAYS have products they can sell to the outside world. Two thing that you are not doing because you are part of a scheme, not running a company (although you may have been fooled into thinking so).

          And yes, Tony Robbins selling $10K products is a scam.

  171. Sunganani says:

    I used to be in EN but left because of the “moving carrot” aka upsells. I did not appreciate this especially that I was on a tight budget. Now I am back to my own blog and I would like to know if WA has training for bloggers as well.

    • Kyle says:

      The moving carrot…that is an accurate analogy. Only the rabbits will continue to chase that carrot until they have spent $1,000’s. And, absolutely you will get REAL marketing training within WA within any niche and you can already have your existing blogs/domains in place first.

  172. Don says:

    You need to get your facts straight right along with your attitude Kyle. This is one of the most untruthful, misleading and irresponsible reviews I have ever read in my entire life. Guys like you shouldn’t even be allowed to express yourself unless you’re locked inside of a box with a piece of chalk. It’s unfortunate and tragic that some people might actually be influenced by your lousy review of one of the greatest companies to come along in years. What a schmuck.

    You are a wussy loser like everyone else in empower that isn’t going “all in”.

    • Kyle says:

      Wow Don, you really explained ZERO points in your argument here. You like every other “negative” condescending person within the Empower cult does not have one argument that proves the point of how unethical your behavior is.

      Let me start.

      You are sucking people into a system by offering them a blog for $25 per month. These are blogs that don’t rank. These are blogs that you don’t own and that actually should be free, but of course you are making money from it by luring people into the system so it is suddenly OK. I explain exactly how ruthless it is to sell these blogs within my comparison here.

      Then they have to pay another $20 per month if they want to earn money. So not only have they paid $25, they need to be “in” for $45 if they want to earn a lick of money.

      Then they get assaulted by their sponsors who are trying to convince them to go “all in” and buy the $100 per month “motivational audios”…along with $5,000 in other programs. Why? So that the sponsors can make more money off of their unsuspecting downline. Hmm….

      Give me a break, when you can actually explain yourself in a clear way (which I can guarantee you won’t be able to because you are promoting a sham), please don’t bother trying to assure yourself what you are doing is ethical. It simply isn’t.

  173. Jr. says:

    Thanks, I was about to make another mistake. Is there anything decent out there?

    • Kyle says:

      Yes, there is still some decency left online. Here is how you can get up and running online with out any investment and it will get you moving in the right direction.

      Getting Started

      If you ever need a hand with anything Jr, you can just ask as well, I will be more than happy to help you out.

  174. Jon says:

    I watched and listened to EN videos with Dave and at first it took me by surprise, I thought “hell maybe this could work”; however I realized that they never give you the full story, they sit there and talk and talk about how rich they are, but they never explain how the whole system works. Kyle if you could help me develop a business marketing online, or point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it. I don’t want to be in the EN scheme of things.

    • Kyle says:

      Jon, would love to help you out man. I can honestly say that if you want to be part of a scheme, then EN is the way to go. If you want to create a REAL business, you should learn how to do so. The process of making money online starts with a website, that is the core of your success. You can get these for free (you do not have to pay the $25 per month Empower is trying to charge you).

      From there, you need a real education and you can check out my “The Good” to get an idea of some of the products out there that will get you a proper education online, ones with substance and that will teach you how to create a business within any niche. You will find that the folks within EN are all promoting EN to other people and that should immediately set off red flags to anyone with a simple understanding of business.

      If you need anything ever, you can hit me up and I will be more than happy to help you out.

  175. John says:

    There has been a lot of educated comments here, however, I doubt that any one of you have at your disposal the resources to research any company, including Empowernetwork, as the FTC does.

    Living in Costa Rica does not in any way place the owners outside of the USA justice system. Before making such a claim it would only be fair to do your due diligence into the state of relations between the USA and Costa Rica.

    As for the rest of your article…..probably true, depending on whether you’re on the inside or sadly on the outside looking in.

    For myself, I find that a company needing 500+ modules (yours) must be very hard to understand.

    • Kyle says:

      Hey John,

      Like everyone else within EN, you have baseless arguments in respect to the actual “service” (if you want to call it that), that is offered. I have no issues with someone living in the beautiful country of Costa Rica, but it is a well known tax haven and there are many benefits (tax wise) to living there…also known as avoiding taxes in some circumstances.

      And by being on the “inside” I am assuming you mean part of the scheme which involves one person selling the idea of success to the next, forcing them to spend a big wad of money on “mindset” training (and perhaps a little bit of training of some substance), and then encouraging them to do the same to other unsuspecting folks.

      I find it comedic that you would criticize a service that offers training, lots of training. If you go to a library you don’t want to have only one book do you, well the same goes for education…but I guess you have validated that you are not interested in “educating” people, you are interested in selling others on a system and building a downline. Fortunately for folks that want to learn how to create a business, there are resources out there that can help them out. 500 “training” modules (keyword, they are actual training) is a good thing. They are organized in classrooms and run in congruence with experts that actually own businesses online.

      Thanks for stopping by and I do wish you all the best.

  176. Jeff Lenney says:

    Wow Kyle

    I think you signed your name wrong at the bottom

    It SHOULD be

    Kyle
    Owner – WealthAffiliate

    What a DOUCHE move man, I used to respect you and the WA team too – but bashing empower JUST to get more sign ups to your own site, that’s a DB move.

    • Kyle says:

      You know what an unethical move is, promoting EN to unsuspecting folks. I can see that this is what you are promoting and you don’t even have your own website, the first marketing 101 mistake (but this is OK, because marketing doesn’t matter so much when you are involved in a pyramid schemes).

      Next, you are promoting a $25 blog to people on the basis that it has a good Alexa ranking. News alert, Alexa has nothing to do with how well a blog ranks, in fact, the Empower Network blogs have been shunned by Google in their last Penguin update. Also, you can get much superior blogs to these for free within places like WA, blogger, and WordPress.com. You must feel good using that as your sales pitch selling them “hot air”…

      Then, you encourage people to buy stuff just so you make more money. You use your secret guilt words like “wussy” and “badass” to get them to spend another $19.95 per month (so they can even get paid), $100 per month so they can get some brainwashing “mindset” audios, and $5,000 on some “one time” courses…just so YOU can get paid more.

      I am pointing out some very obvious things within my review here and I am sorry that you feel as though you have to “defend” your purchase, but I can honestly say that based on your behaviour and language, you are no different than anyone else within this community of radicals. Perhaps you are a great person, but it is not reflected in your actions or in the products that you have chosen to promote, something that you have complete control over.

      And I have no problem stating I am the owner of WA, frankly, I am tired of people coming to us after being scammed by programs like EN (there are 100’s of others out there) so it is my duty to help others create a real business online. Yes, a REAL business, something that I can assure you that you are not building over there at EN.

      PS. You were a member over 4 years ago. A lot has changed since then within the WA community, like the fact that we offer more for FREE than the folks over at EN are paying through the nose for. If you think that people spending their “rent money” to go “all in” is cool, then you should look up ethics in the dictionary. I don’t operate that way nor do I condone others that do.

  177. Valerie McMickle says:

    I just joined EN and now I read all this. Do I just go cancel it ? I am gonna try to do all that right now!

    • Kyle says:

      I believe you would have to contact your sponsor for that and they should be able to help you out (if not you will have to deal with it through your credit card). I do want to warn you though that if you do stick with it, you are going to be pushed into buying many more products. The $25 is just the start. This is followed by another $19.95 per month for a merchant account (which you need to use their system), and then the pitch to go “all in” which can cost up to $100 per month in addition to this plus $5,000 in one time training products.

  178. Dexter says:

    I think you’re a bit harsh on Empower Network, but I think the problem is you’re assuming it’s a networking or MLM company and it isn’t.

    They provide a high ranking blog platform, which currently has a Google PR of 4, and according to Alexa is one of the top 500 sites in the world and one of the top 250 in the US) and they provide different levels of training in both mindset and marketing.

    The opportunity, is an affiliate program with a powerline structure, and pays out 100% commissions. The affiliate program is optional, and at last check I believe more than 30% of active members in Empower Network are retail members – meaning they aren’t affiliates.

    You have the prices right, but you have how it works way wrong.

    Empower Network pays 100% commissions on the products their affiliates sell, and to participate in the affiliate program it costs $19.95 a month.

    And the way the commission structure works is backwards to how you have it. This is how I explain it to my team.

    When you first become an affiliate your first 6 sales is a 50/50 split with your powerline sponsor. You keep the first, third, and 5th sales, and you pass up the second, fourth, and 6th sales to your sponsor.

    After that, it becomes and 80/20 split on every 5 sales after that. So let’s say you just passed up your 6th sale, you would keep the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th sales, and pass up the 11th.

    You keep four and pass up one, which actually reverses how commissions in the business works, because for the first time ever, an affiliate can make more money than their sponsor.

    And since you keep your first sale, you actually break even on your first sale.

    What confuses a lot of people is that you have to own the product you want to earn commissions on – it’s an integrity thing… how many of you have bought products from people who don’t own or use them? Empower isn’t shady like that.

    In fact, they DO have 24/7 support (people they pay twice the standard rates) and I’ve used them. When you call, you get a live person.

    They are also they only company that has a live income disclosure that shows the actual income averages of their affiliates.

    Go to Empower Network, scroll down to the bottom, and see for yourself. It’s all right there. Pick up the phone and call them.

    As for ‘help’ with your business? All the information you need is in the products, plus, we have live calls every Monday night 9pm EST.

    And if that’s not enough, the corporate blog platform can be share by affiliates and they get credit for the sales. All they have to do is add their ID at the end of the URL.

    And speaking of integrity, the owners of the company make their money the same way all of the affiliate do – as affiliates themselves.

    It is a solid option for anyone looking to make money online, and the company pays out millions of dollars every week in commissions.

    I am one of thousands of success stories and if you were to call me right now, I’d say the exact same thing. In fact… I’ll put my money where my mouth is.

    If you’re seriously looking at Empower Network and want to talk to a member? Visit my site above or call me and I’ll be more than happy to talk to you and answer your questions (919) 576-9255

    • Kyle says:

      He Dexter,

      Thanks for stopping by and I am sure that you are an awesome guy, but at the same time, you only know what you have been taught. I want to offer a bit of clarity to some of your statements/arguments and hopefully it will shed some light onto the program that you are so passionate about.

      I think you’re a bit harsh on Empower Network, but I think the problem is you’re assuming it’s a networking or MLM company and it isn’t.

      You are right, MLM companies have a product. A product that you can sell to the outside world without them having to join your downline. You are involved in a borderline ponzi scheme. If you don’t believe me, you can look up the definition of ponzi here. You are selling people on a dream and in order for them to achieve that dream, they are required to sell the dream to the next person.

      They provide a high ranking blog platform, which currently has a Google PR of 4, and according to Alexa is one of the top 500 sites in the world.

      Here is where it would be nice if they taught you about SEO over at EN. First off, Google PR is meaningless. A PR of 0 can easily outrank a PR of 7. So PR 4 means nothing in respect to rankings or the value of the actual blog you receive.

      Second, Alexa has no bearing on search engine rankings nor does it define whether or not a website is legitimate. In fact, Alexa has no idea how much traffic any given website gets, so to use this as some sort of “success metric” is ridiculous. You can read about how Alexa rankings work here.

      You are also paying $25 per month (+ $19.95 per month to get paid) for something that is offered MANY places for free…and in a fashion that will get ranked much better than EN blogs. You are in essence ripping people off by selling them a blog that (a) doesn’t rank (b) is content they do not own (c) is inferior to free websites platforms and services that are out there.

      The opportunity, is an affiliate program with a powerline structure, and pays out 100% commissions. The affiliate program is optional, and at last check I believe more than 30% of active members in Empower Network are retail members – meaning they aren’t affiliates.

      You don’t get 100% commissions. You get 100% on the first commission, every second one after that up until your 6th (assuming you are paid up), and then every 5th after that. So as time goes on your commission rate moves closer and closer to 60% (assuming people are fooled into sticking around longer than 6 months), not exactly 100% commissions. Thankfully some of us passed Math and could bring reality to the “errors” in their commission calculations.

      I have yet to see an Empower member working to create a tangible business (and doing a mediocre job at it) promoting anything outside of Empower Network. Why? Because the business is based on selling the dream to a downline, getting them to buy “all in” and you earn money as a result. You are basically taking money from one person that you sucked into the program and putting their money directly into your pocket, but not 100% of the time because you don’t really get 100% commissions.

      Empower Network pays 100% commissions on the products their affiliates sell, and to participate in the affiliate program it costs $19.95 a month.

      Affiliate programs don’t cost you money. You are paying for a merchant account and the reason you have to do this is that no renowned merchant program like a major credit card, bank or Paypal would consider touching a pyramid scheme like EN. You are paying for something that NO ONE in the industry is paying for, there are 10,000’s of affiliate programs out there and they are all free to get paid through.

      What confuses a lot of people is that you have to own the product you want to earn commissions on – it’s an integrity thing… how many of you have bought products from people who don’t own or use them? Empower isn’t shady like that.

      The reason you want people to buy the products is so YOU can make money. Nothing else. There is no other argument than that, why else would you push someone to spend $5,000 on some weak mindset training. Because it makes you money and you are willing to call them a “wussy” if they don’t (perhaps not you personally, but I have seen high rates of this attitude).

      That is definitely not integrity. Integrity would be telling people not to spend their “rent money” and helping them create a real business. Integrity would not be playing on people’s financial weakness and getting them to join a scheme like this. That is integrity and hopefully you step up to the plate.

      In fact, they DO have 24/7 support (people they pay twice the standard rates) and I’ve used them. When you call, you get a live person.

      Paid phone support. I wonder how qualified these folks are and why they are “working” a support line if they have so much marketing knowledge. There has never been a quality paid support when it comes to creating a business, the reason being is that if they knew their stuff they would have their own business. Just think about that for a moment.

      They are also they only company that has a live income disclosure that shows the actual income averages of their affiliates.

      Yeah, 90% of the people that join Empower Network never make their money back and 99% of them never make more than $4,900. Not exactly living the dream.

      And speaking of integrity, the owners of the company make their money the same way all of the affiliate do – as affiliates themselves.

      Of course they do, and as I said within my refutes here there is no “integrity” involved in what you are doing. They “mindset” training may have been convincing but if you can look at this from an outside perspective, you will realize what you are really doing. You are selling a dream, you are not creating a business and I hope for your sake that you can take your hard work and effort and apply it to something of substance because I do believe that you and everyone else in this world does have what it takes to be phenomenal success.

    • justyce says:

      Thanks Dexter, it seems that Kyle is on a hunt for EN big time, I just joined and I saw that It was up to ME, to change things, in no way do I expect them to make money for me, in any MLM program, and AVON is set up just as well as Herbalife and they kick ass, just not my bag, there will always be bashere and haters, I have paid much more than these people have asked for EX:Tony Robbins seminars, etc…I wanna pay to play, life is like poker, if you don’t have the buy in, you cant play simple as that. Thanks Dexter and I am going to just follow MY OWN instincts for myself, any person who would read one article and cancel something their passions lead them to, need not be associated with positive networks like EN, Avon or any MLM program. They are simply not ready yet, and lastly, Kyle this would have been almost believable if you were not advertising something else. totally not fair, just give your opinion not your sales pitch. I wont be looking at your website just on that basis alone, I cant stand this type of internet bashing. Bad Kyle Bad Kyle!!! smh

      • Kyle says:

        Thanks for stopping by Justyce. I can tell you first and foremost, that is sounds like you are passionate about success and that you will likely achieve it in great proportions at some point because of this drive, however ultimately it is your choice whether or not you are going to do it in a way that is ethical or unethical. There is a big difference!

        And I am not bashing with a promotional purpose, I am simply outlining a program based on what it is. YOU (as in YOU) are promoting first a program that claims MASSIVE success, one that anyone can accomplish fast. But there is a caveat. In order to reach this success, you have to convince other gullible folks that they can create success and buy through your downline. Then you try to get them to do the same thing.

        Let’s look at the products you are selling…

        (1) $25 blog – Doesn’t rank in Google very well, sell on the idea of a high Alexa (which is a hoax, as Alexa has nothing to do with rank), and you can get much better blogs for free online. I have done a comparison if you want to check it out. Also, you don’t own your blog and you don’t own any of the content on it….but that doesn’t really matter because Google has classified Empower Network as spam (along with many other major online entities.

        (2) $19.95 to accept payment. If you want to get paid, you have to pay even more? There is no other company that does this and you don’t even OWN anything, so it is not a true merchant account, you are basically taking money from others and this is a loophole that puts the responsibility on YOU for the transactions that take place, rather than them being on EN. Paypal and ALL major credit cards would never touch EN with a ten foot pole.

        (3) $100 per month for motivational audios. Yeah, motivational audios. Motivation is a big part of success, but perhaps helping people start a REAL business would be a good start with some training? Also, this is part of the “all in” agenda that in order to sell this stuff to others, you have to pay for it yourself…the REAL reason people buy into this next level. At this point we are into this program for $144.95 PER MONTH!

        (4) $5,000 in other ONE TIME programs. Go all in you wussy…are the words of many folks within EN. People are missing their rent payments to buy these video and audio trainings just so people like yourself can earn a few extra $1,000. Not sure how one could feel good about themselves after doing this unless their only focus in life is money, not actually helping people out.

        And in regards to WA, which I think you are referencing as the program I am “promoting” (as I recommend several QUALITY programs), I can honestly say that you get more training, more help, and more websites (and higher quality) within our NO COST starter membership than the folks spending several $1,000 + $140 per month at EN are getting. But of course you wouldn’t be interested in this because you are in the business of taking people’s money and need to convince them that the hot air you are selling is actually worth something.

        I wish you all the best in your endeavours and hope one day you realize what you are doing and promoting may not be the most ethical.

  179. carla says:

    eek! I was a few clicks away from entering my credit card details before I decided to see sense and google some reviews of the company- Kyle your advice probably saved me a lot of money I don’t have. It seems this ‘company’ makes money off those struggling. For poor uni students like myself the ‘pitch’ is very attractive, but I’m glad I got out before I got in so to speak. ‘d rather be poor and ethical than in debt and unethical :-p

    • Kyle says:

      You like me, were looking for opportunity while they were in uni. ;) I can assure you that there is real opportunity online and opportunity that doesn’t involve you working within a scheme promoting the same scheme to others. I do highly suggest you head off and get your free website up and running at WA, it comes with training and I will be there to offer you support if you ever have any questions.

      The initial $25 is just the start. There is an immediate fee of $19.95 per month if you want to earn money (for a merchant account) and then you are PUSHED heavily into a $100 per month…and then you are called a wussy until you spend an additional $5,000 on products. So not only did you save $25, you potentially saved $1,000’s which you can use towards paying off your education and towards creating a business of substance.

  180. Mark says:

    The terminology, adopted over the last several years, by those in technology/government/corporations is fascinating: “high-priests”, “gurus”, “masterminds”, “ninjas“, “thought leaders”, “evangelists”; quasi-religious/cult-like descriptors. Corporatocracy/technology is the new “enlightened” secular god(dess)/deity; the church‘s hierarchy is inhabited by technology evangelists, social media gurus, charismatic motivational speakers, mastermind consultants and exalted thought-leader high priests; speaking in tongues of psycho-babel:

    “As CEO of this world class, innovative and dynamic corporation, I empower you to be strategic evangelists of our paradigm-shifting software and services. A results-driven, highly motivated, enthusiastic, synergistic, process-relational outlook will leverage our comprehensive framework of best practices and proven methodologies; allowing you to unleash your maximum potential, as catalysts for transformational momentum of the brand!”

    In response, the assembled employees ascend as one, cheering and applauding in unrestrained thunderous ecstasy. Inevitably, at the Q & A session, a “brilliant” employee will ask the “deep” question, reverentially and earnestly: “What keeps you up at night?” This question demonstrates that the employee is a fully-invested, thoughtful, engaged, empowered individual!

    SUMMARY: you internet social media “marketers”, SEO “gurus” and thought-leader “masterminds” are charlatans and/or insane.

    • Kyle says:

      The long and the short of it, those that can themselves a “guru” or “ninjas” are not. They are in business to take your money and I have never met someone that knows what they are doing and has an ego to classify themselves as a GURU. That is ridiculous, but exactly what is taking place en mass within Empower. Everything is “motivated” to think that they are doing something wonderful, when in actuality they are exchanging money with one another and taking money from the newcomers.

  181. John says:

    I was in EN for about 7 Months and I can say with honesty there is no product to sell. The blogging system you can get from WordPress for free from word press and like others have said all they do is say “Get All In, Get All In”.

    Now me personally i am suspicious if someone tells me not to pay my rent or bills and get all in and that is exactly what the leadership meetings are all about. People telling stories of how they spent their rent or Mortgage money to get all in etc. That was suspicious but after i signed up for it and spent my $25 the person who brought me whom i have a moderate connection with flat out said that it was an “Up sell GoldMine”. The reason he told me it was an up sell gold mine is because after i signed up i asked him “what do i do, there is nothing telling me what to do now and he said that it was an up sell gold mine and if i could work try to at least pay the $1,500 for the 15K formulate because they will teach you Facebook PPC”.

    I already know PPC because i am an affiliate marketer so i didn’t feel the need to pay $1,500 for it. I was more so trying to understand what i was selling because i signed up on emotion and being that i already make money as an affiliate marketer i was trying to see if i could make money with this as well but i have a hard time trying sell something that is free on word press.

    Not only that all of the EN leaders don’t use their Empower Network blogs they use something else and that was a huge red flag for me. They obviously realize that the blogs are useless as they don’t get ranked in Google or Yahoo.

    The cost for the plans are way to much especially the 15K formula at $1,500 and the Master Course at $3,500 plus and even the Costa Rica at $500 even though i don’t know what details they involve but i have heard from other members is that all they do is talk in videos besides showing you how to do Facebook PPC. I realized quickly that all they wanted to do was up sell me and when i constantly heard leadership saying “get all in even if you have to use your bill money do it” i was like whoa, What kind of friend is that.

    Be careful because they play on your emotions and try and get you to spend your money. It’s a great brainwash that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy but when you get down to it you are paying for a word press blog that you can get for free and training you can get on you tube. The videos are like old school sales seminar videos and they are cool but not that cool. just my 2 cents.

    • Kyle says:

      I am glad you figured out what was taking place. Your sponsors are not really there to help you, they are there to encourage you to BUY stuff. If you don’t upgrade, they don’t make money. If you don’t suck other people into the “scheme”, they don’t make money. They could care less if you go off and earn money through another program or from affiliate marketing because that doesn’t make them money. It is an opportunistic system that is based on “sucking” new folks in.

      People need to wake up to what is going on here and people that are part of the system have no idea what they are doing or why they are doing it, but they are told it is the right thing to do. To people outside the system, we understand really how unethical this scheme is. I am glad you moved on John, you are going to be better for it and on to bigger and better things.

      PS. People trading their rent for “all in” I so unfortunate and I hate to hear stories like that. These people are being taken advantage of and I hope some of them can read this before it is too late!

  182. AnnieB says:

    I enjoyed reading the article and responses. I was a member of EN for a couple of months. I actually joined at the $25 blogging and 8 core daily actions level. The reason I joined, is because I had viewed a video from Vick at Big Idea Mastermind, whereby he was offering “free” entrance to his site, instead of the monthly (take a seat everyone) $497 MONTHLY fee. To get into his programme you had to sign up for EN.

    As a “newbie” I did like the blogging system. I thought it was useful as I didn’t (still don’t really) understand SEO. It was great having an SEO programme on my WP back office when creating a blog. After a month I thought I’d upgrade to the ewallet. As you know, you need that to get paid with (also to access BIM). The transfer fees however, if you bring anyone into EN and get paid, are extortionate, as I live in Australia. After I worked through the 8 core videos, I thought you’d have to be pretty dense to think they are worth anything of value.

    Then I looked at the forum, and was stunned by how many people were writing “what do I do?” and “where do I start?”. Some forum members were very helpful. Others it was a case of “just do the 8 core values”. Huh? They don’t teach you what to do. They tell you what to do. Big difference. I guess that’s why they keep pushing you to “buy” the big stuff, so that you’ll learn what to do, to actually make money. It’s bit of enticement to “make” you upgrade.

    I think what really put me off, after a few weeks of still checking it out, was that I logged onto EN one day, and there was Dave Wood (?) the long haired one, on a video. He’s telling me he’s going to hypnotize me, and watch this video of how EN has a member only new tool (can’t “sell” it), for $25 a month. The new tool was a way to make your own videos and put them on your blog. I don’t know if you could use them elsewhere. Selling point? EN won’t ever take your videos down. At the end, Dave’s telling me, to get my credit card/money out now and pay the $25 a month. Well, his garbage hypnotism didn’t work on me. I thought sod that and switched off.

    On top of that, why on earth would anyone pay the Inner Circle extra $100 month for the same videos or audios whatever it is. I mean – EVERY month. Maybe you get something new every now or then – I don’t know. I got out a couple of week’s ago. Also note, they keep your UN active for some time after you stop your subscription, incase you want to come back. I guess that’s OK for those that do go back. Frankly, if I stop subscribing, I want my details wiped. I deleted my blogs as much as I could before I left, so I didn’t leave them anything, hopefully.

    I think that most of the people making the money got in early. On top of that they knew WELL how to do MLM. Some of them have very successful backgrounds in this business. I do believe some people can make money with EN, but definitely not beginners, or those who don’t have a supportive upline. Which wouldn’t surprise me if that is 95% of members.

    I did hardly anything the first month with EN. I was scrounging around trying to figure things out -trying to learn from uploaded youtube videos, and people on the forum. I had problems with my blog page loading properly for two weeks. I made no money, but as I said I
    wasn’t really working at it – just digging about trying to figure it out. One of the “what the heck am I supposed to be doing” crowd.

    As an end note, I’m not a snob, but I checked out my capture page video, and to hear Dave Wood “f” if you get my drift, surprised the heck out of me. Too bad if your Christian or take offence in some other way to that language. If you’ve ever checked out some of their videos, it is almost like a cult following of people around Dave Wood in particular. He is very appealing to a lot of young people. That’s part of the reason EN is very successful. What I DON’T get, is how some member’s are accountant’s and very “professional” people. Maybe it isn’t a pyramid. I think it’s close to it.

    Sorry for the long input, but I hope I’ve helped some people out.

    • Kyle says:

      Annie, you don’t have to feel bad about your decisions and not “doing anything”. The reason you became stagnant within the scheme was because you weren’t willing to recruit others into the same scheme that you had fallen for. That is OK and anyone with any sensibility would take the route you did and move on realizing that this was nothing more than a “money exchange”, with most of the money going to the upper levels.

      You are better off for your decision. I can assure you of that. I would also love to help you turn things around and get moving in the right direction within the online world. I can help you understand the principles of online business and I can help you get rolling in the right direction for NO COST….websites included, training included, support from REAL experts included, and being part of a community that cares about ethical success, not just making money. You can take me up on my offer at any time here.

      Thanks for stopping by and your insights are definitely going to help those unsuspecting folks that are being “convinced” that Empower is the only way to achieve their dreams online, when in fact they are becoming a donor to the money pyramid.

  183. kirk says:

    Kyle,
    you a snotty little liar….
    get your facts straight….
    people like you are what has
    taken the greatness out of America.

    I’ll comfortably point out one of your
    biggest lies…

    “Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Bernie madoff paid out BILLIONS of dollars. Zeek Rewards, which was shut down recently by the SEC and most of the major promoters have moved to EN,”

    I was in the biggest Zeek Team in the world..
    and I know personally… the top 5 that were
    making large 6 figures a month in Zeek…. NOT
    ONE OF THEM IS DOING ANY THING BUT TALKING TO THEIR
    ATTORNEY AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS NEXT IN THE SEC
    THING….
    NONE OF THEM ARE IN EMPOWER…. LIAR!!

    You are a wussy just like all the other losers out there that don’t go all in. If you want money, you have to pay money. Simple as that.

    • Kyle says:

      Wow, you use very similar language as the rest of the folks at EN. Obviously they are not teaching you etiquette nor are they teaching you much about marketing (as I can see you haven’t a clue from your website). I don’t think you are a bad person by any means, but I do think you have been brainwashed into thinking that you are actually creating a business with Empower, you are not. You are part of a scheme and you are part of a system that relies on new people joining into the scheme in order for it to work, yes, this is known as a ponzi by definition.

      One thing that you have said really has struck a cord with me and I know it will also with other people that read this:

      people like you are what has taken the greatness out of America.

      Perhaps if you could augment a few sentences and explain exactly what you mean, that would be “great”. If taking money from your neighbour and putting it into your own pocket is what America is about, then perhaps you belong on Wall St. and perhaps you deserve to be exactly where you are. Within a modern day ponzi scheme, where people have one goal, to make money at any cost. If that is how you view America, then you are the problem not the solution.

      And I know of many folks that have not only lost a ton of money with the Zeek scandal, but have moved their entire operations over the next closest thing. You should do a little research for yourself and you will quickly figure this out.

      You like everyone else that tries to make an argument for Empower has nothing constructive to say and has no ground to stand on to defend the actual scheme you are apart of. You resort to name calling as it appears that as a community, this is the behavior that is taught over at EN. “If you are not one of us, you don’t deserve any respect”. I don’t live my life this way and I hope for the sake of America (and humanity) that others will really take offense to your approach and the approach EN takes to business and success. There is nothing ethical about it.

      I will continue being a wussy and helping my fellow “wussies” succeed online, I can tell you that we are the majority.

  184. My biggest issue with EN, just like Scientology, is that you can “buy” your way into the inner circle. That alone should show to people that it is a complete farse. Most decent companies that involve sales (of a product, not the company), reward their top salespeople by giving them increased commissions, access to more leadership training, and better rewards all around, they don’t say “Well you can get all this for XXX money”

    • Kyle says:

      Well said Dom…and that is exactly what the program is based off. Buy your way into the system so you can sell the system to other people. The cycle continues and in the end you end up with a bunch of people that are selling the idea of success and earning money not through the help they offer or through a tangible business, but the distribution of money through “newcomers” into the program and folks being pressured into going all in.

  185. Rahul says:

    Hi Kyle,
    I joined Empire Network today and I just wanted to ask you one question… do you think that a website that ranks 468 is a scam? Are you telling me that they are making millions and millions of people scam? My own friend earns 50000 USD every month from Empire Network. There is one thing everyone should understand about MLM marketing…over 70 percent people will never succeed. That’s why you need a good course for getting great knowledge. What EA teaches in 3-4 weeks with their courses took you and me atleast 3-4 years struggling online here and there..learning bits and pieces..etc. I feel that EA ranking went down because of the newbie users who simply started copy pasting articles from other sites. It’s still the best marketing program out there on the web. I am a YouTube Partner, Technorati Featured Writer and I have given great thought before joining the network.

    Thanks,
    Rahul

    • Kyle says:

      First off, it is called Empower Network not “Empire”. I am sure you will get the hang of this when you start getting the t-shirt and invited to their brainwashing conferences that will tell you that you are not to be negative, you are to call others wussy, and that what you are doing is no different than how real companies out there operate.

      But when you are done that, hopefully you can come back to reality. Here are a few things that I find to be strange arguments, especially considering it is your very first day…

      do you think that a website that ranks 468 is a scam?

      Alexa rank has nothing to do with legitimacy and you would know this if you have knew how Alexa works (or were an internet marketer). It also does not reflect a true sense of traffic that a site gets and it absolutely has nothing to do with the SEO benefit of the blogs, which is one of the main arguments that many of the “I don’t have a clue” folks are preaching over at EN. Alexa is meaningless and I am not sure why anyone would attempt to boast that.

      Are you telling me that they are making millions and millions of people scam?

      Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Bernie madoff paid out BILLIONS of dollars. Zeek Rewards, which was shut down recently by the SEC and most of the major promoters have moved to EN, was making $100’s of millions. So just because a program is making millions does not mean that it is legit. That is like saying that just because you are earning money you are doing something that is ethical or legit. If this was true robbing old ladies out of money (which is actually taking place within EN) would be ethical because yes, you would be earning money.

      That’s why you need a good course for getting great knowledge

      Well you can’t expect to get that within EN. You are getting audios which will run you $100 per month, a blog that doesn’t rank and that forces you to promote EN itself, a payment process you have to pay for because of no merchant company would mothership an operation like this, and high ticket courses that might contain some interesting material, but they total $5,000 if you go all in, money that could be spent elsewhere with much better returns. But the system works on the principle that you have to “force” people to join these programs, because if you don’t you will not earn money.

      I am a YouTube Partner, Technorati Featured Writer and I have given great thought before joining the network.

      So why did you join EN then? It seems as though you have chose this network just so you can “promote” the dream to others. You are not going to get an education that will help you further your existing operations. I can tell you by looking at your site that you are doing MANY things wrong when it comes to SEO and that your site does not have any rankings in Google as a result. Is EN going to help you turn this around? Let us know how things work out for you…

  186. Sam says:

    Hey Kyle. How do you cancel the $25 monthly membership if you’ve just signed up? Can you get a refund of the initial, upfront $25 paid? Thanks.

    • Kyle says:

      That is something that you will have to do within your Empower Network login to your back office area (where you an manage your membership). If not, call their support. Many complain that they are unable to cancel and sometimes unable to get a refund and that is something that you would have to deal with in respect to your credit card company if you cannot get any help within the membership.

    • David Korosec says:

      They are trying to sell this nothingness up here in Vancouver not very tangible. If it was edible maybe?

      • Kyle says:

        Yeah, unfortunate. Their product is promoting their product to other people. Unfortunately there is nothing edible within their offering nor is there a way to sell the product to the outside public, you are simply building a downline of folks and taking money from them. Glad you could see through the facad David.

  187. jamson says:

    Wow, almost the opposite of what I was told to get into the program. So, do you have any comments on UOIS, universityofinternetscience.com. one of the benefits of being an EN member; also, are you getting all of your information from angry EN failures, or did you actually obtain your resources from the inside as a legitimately disgruntled member, apparently with marketing experience? That would be like asking 10 people what they thought about the 23 flavors in Dr. Pepper that also didn’t like Dr. Pepper.

    In order to learn one must search for the materials, but in a language community clouded by so many scams and bloodthirsty marketing front-men, it is difficult to obtain proper knowledge; if the language community is hard to understand anyway, than how would one learn what to look for in the first place. This is the fundamental breakdown of any beginning to building a lesson plan; and being a student of many degrees, I have spent over $90,000 on the education system alone to understand that after the fact, you still have to fill out applications and go to interviews to get the job anyway; a scourge in the capitalistic rat race to working until your back gives out always saying to yourself, “I wish I had gone to school for something else”.

    So, for $125 a month, I would say the massive amounts of marketing materials and education I gained from EN was fair, it helped me outside of The actual EN to market my other products and websites. UOIS is something that my EN team is a part of and there is always new material to learn from.

    In just 3 days from starting the program I was able to take from the language community, salted heavily with misunderstandings and overwhelming procedures, the ability to generate and capture prime leads, generate massive mailings, and gain opt-ins. These materials are education intensive, it takes some time, but everyone should benefit in some way if they really had the patience to learn properly. That is the real product; sure you get a blog, and it is an affiliate, referral based MLM… But, in reality the product provided from EN is A real lesson plan minus all of the garbage found on the internet; anyone in any business can use this to benefit their growth whether it be selling clickbank, dropshipping, proper social media advertising, marketing strategies, marketing resources, and many many many more things.

    Sorry for all the ones who opted out of the program, I guess one can say that they are like the college dropouts that were close to graduation but never finished; now they are stuck between the worlds of going to interviews next to graduates, and paying off debts.

    Good luck with my refute, Cheers.

    • Kyle says:

      Actually it is too much to pay and I will tell you exactly why. There are MUCH better services out there for MUCH cheaper, and often times free. That is my first argument.

      Your $25 blog is no good. It doesn’t get ranked, it is unusable to promote anything other than EN and frankly, you are paying $25 per month for a website that you don’t own, that is poorly designed for rankings, and that is riddled with EN promotions. You can get much superior blogs to this for NO COST, blogs that give you full control of the content and that allow you to promote any niche you want, right from the get go (no cheesy scam branding included).

      You only have to read so far within my comments to understand that the only purpose of the audios/videos in the Inner Circle are to allow people to earn more money off of folks. YOU ARE PART OF A SCHEME. You are not creating a business and the only reason you would ever recommend the inner circle to someone is because you are making money off of them or you were told you are not allowed to be negative within the community (also known as brainwashing).

      Based on the website you have included, I can tell you have NO IDEA what you are doing in terms of marketing, just like every other person that comes here raving about how good the EN blogs and training is. THe only thing you are trying to do is continue the promotion of this scheme, if you can’t find any suckers to join under you, then your business is gone…well, if you want to call it a business.

      If you can show me a website that you have created that showcases your business and that your sole intention is NOT to suck other folks into the Empower Network scheme, I will give you an ounce of credibility. If you are promoting EN, then don’t bother…you really should spend some time reflecting on what you are actually doing, because it is not creating a business.

  188. Joe says:

    Before clicking on your website I thought this guy is one from the EN zombies that tries to promote EN. LOL. I want to say thank you for writing such a helpful, insightful review on EN since it is very hard to find some honest reviews on EN like yours. Because everybody out there is promoting EN and I and others like me are fed up to see desperate people who are pleading you to join under them. I don’t understand why people can’t see that there are many alternatives out there to get a FREE BLOG. You have to pay monthly $25 for a WordPress and on top of that $20 to be an affiliate. This is truly a rip off! My expierience with the EN was okey even though i lost $45 in the first month but i dont regret that because mistakes and failures makes you a better person. I didnt make a cent in the EN and decided to cancel my membership. As a matter of fact, I was promised to get free training stuff if I joined from my sponser who actually tempted me to join the EN. Anyways, I do have a different standpoint from the people that posted their review here. To sum up the whole, inorder to have success with the EN scam you have to be…

    1. A good sales person preferably a ruthless one who asks people to buy into what he has bought to which are the non-existing products.
    2. You need to have MLM experiences or know how to advertise your blog or your capture pages.

    If you don’t belong to the above mentioned types of people then you will fail, 100% guaranteed, period!

    • Kyle says:

      Joe, you have laid out the principles for success within EN accurately. You need to be willing to promote something that you ONLY believe in because you are making money with it, not because it is actually helping others create a business. I have yet to see anyone within EN making money doing anything other than promoting EN to other unsuspecting folks that are falling into the scheme.

      Their paid blogs should be free and there are much better WordPress sites available for free, their payment processor should be free, and the other training is either “motivational hype” or training on how to build out your downline within the EN program.

  189. Will says:

    DAMMIT! Where was this site before I joined! I should have listened to my better half. She called it, I fell for it and got NOTHING in return but a hype full of BULL$h!% and throwing away money I dont have! Moral of the story: listen to my wife, now I gotta hear it for daaaaayyyyyyyzzzzz!..LOL

  190. Mary Jo McMann says:

    since this is so bad and i think you may be right about the brain washing… is there anything good , worth spending time and money .

    • Kyle says:

      Mary, there absolutely are legit ways to make money online and there is a good deal of quality training out there showing you how to accomplish it. I do suggest if you have a moment, you read the following post as it will walk you through the process.

  191. Kim Jackson says:

    What I love about Empower Network.

    Lots of complaints here. :)

    I am making my comment and then moving along. I am not open to a debate. Just offering a side to the story.

    Before EN I spent 10k on some dude who said he could teach me how to be an internet marketer. Bye Bye money. Then I found EN and learned a TON! I listen to all the training in all the levels. Then if I don’t get something I go out and Google it or Youtube it.

    I didn’t know what I didn’t know.

    On my blog I share practical knowledge on internet marketing. I also share personal stories and whatever else I like.

    I firmly and strongly believe in a positive approach to life and giving back. You are all welcome to read the blog and NOT join EN but use it for any bits of knowledge that might be useful. Just because you got mugged by a _________ doesn’t make all _________ evil and bad. :)

    I would appreciate it if you would refrain from spamming or blasting me out of the water! LOL I

    Just offering some balance to the conversation. :)

    Best wishes to all of you in your future endeavors!

    • Kyle says:

      And I would have to say, you don’t know what you don’t know. It sounds like you are enjoying your experience and that is likely because you are comparing what you are experiencing right now to being ripped off for $10,000. I can tell you that if you invest into the $5,000 in one time upsells, you are wasting your hard earned money. In fact, you could get a real education in the Internet business world, full access to build unlimited websites w/ hosting, expert mentoring and support, keyword research, weekly video lessons, and 1,000’s of training modules for FIFTEEN YEARS for the same price with other services. Just saying.

      But as you said, you only know what you know and that is where you are at in the business world. I can tell you that the scheme are you in and that you are trying to promote to others is not a business. You don’t even own the website you put content on or even the content that you are creating!! That is not how you create a business and I hope at some point you will come to your sense as to what you are involved with.

      I know you are a good person, but through association you are not getting the best experience that you could online and to be frank, you are not even close to creating a business online. That is not a business, it is a level scheme.

  192. Rhonda says:

    EN is full of crap!!!! I’m witness to this scheme. And yes the guy that recruited me in named Mack to a back channel of recruiting. I was instructed to join his team and sign up with all of the affiliate programs he recommended.

    After days of being harassed thru emails, I joined and it sounded promising. After joining I noticed that nothing seemed right so I gave it a month. I even joined the inner circle. After seeing proof that this program was honestly a scam, I unsubscribed from the program.

    Well here I am a month later and I checked my bank acct and noticed I’m a $145 short. Yea, even after I unsubscribed to these bastards, they still took money out of my acct. so they received a lovely phone call today and I’m getting a full refund. Do NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS BS!!!!

    • Kyle says:

      You are not the first person that has had an experience like this Rhonda and I am sure you will not be the last. I have heard many people say terms like “harassed” “bullied”, “ridiculed”, and “belittled” when using terms of how they were treated in Empower, in particular when they did not decide to go all in and upgrade to their over $5,000 worth of infoproducts they try to upsell you and the $145 per month in ongoing charges.

      Their argument is that this is affordable for doing business, but I have several problems with this. First, you are not creating a business. You are promoting a scheme to other unsuspecting folks and in order for the money to come in, you have to harass them into going all in. Then they need to do the same and the cycle continues.

      Secondly, creating an online business does not need to cost this much. In fact, the PAID blogs that people are paying for at EN are inferior to websites that you can get for free elsewhere. Also the paid info products are so inferior to other much more “tangible” training out there that it is laughable.

      I am glad it didn’t take you long to wake up to what was going on in this program and thank you for offering your insights. I know this is going to help other folks make a much more educated decision before getting involved (and investing their hard earned money).

  193. Robert Anderson says:

    I ended up signing into empower network through the continuous emails in my inbox,I had a connection with the person that was sending the emails and allowed myself to be dragged in and signed up into the inner circle.

    I was closing my account within two weeks I could not stand the hype and the loud almost vulgar speech.I could not handle the Google hangouts for it was like listening to four drunks squabbling in a bar, everyone talking and no one listening. I actually felt great to be rid of empower out of my system.

    When I look back on that two weeks the person I was signed under had nothing to give except introduce me into the Facebook prosperity group where I thought the majority seemed to be really needy.

    • Kyle says:

      Thanks for your feedback and insights into your experience with EN. Your story sounds all to familiar and the problem that I have heard with the “hangouts” and events is that if you put enough people that don’t understand what they are doing in a room, they all start to make sense to each other. To be honest, I have yet to have a meaningful or intellectual conversation with ONE person from EN about the internet business world. They simply do not get it.

  194. johnmcclure says:

    Yes i think you are right. I bought empowernetwork and no one every helped me .I stayed in there for a year nothing happened . I know a lot is me because I do not know what I am doing .I never went all in . I did not have the money .but still yet i never got any one to join me so i was told. I had a friend who joined she said she joined under me but i never got crediet for her.But yes I think you are right it is a scam.

    • Kyle says:

      Don’t ever feel that it is YOUR fault that you don’t know what to do. If you have no help and you don’t have access to proper training, then you are not going to know what you are doing. That is what is happening within EN, most folks don’t know what to do..even the sponsors. How are they supposed to show you what to do if they don’t know themselves. They only thing they know is that if you don’t buy all the products by going “all in” they are not going to make money off of you…that is all they really care about.

  195. Artur says:

    Funny thing that i am also close to go into EN but this post gives me to think about it again and makes me even more uncomfortable with it.

    The ugly thing from the World is everyone can say what ever he wants it’s an actual problem! I could promote EN now or WA and still i can say both suck or what ever. No one can proof you a working system i dont even trust in history since mostly its just theoreticaly.

    So yeah i wont give up EN immediatly but before i try out WA for the easy reason there is a free signup to actually start with.

    Now to my questions when and how do i actually retrieve money from WA? Since that is the main thing from sites like EN and WA.

    I think that’s what most people wanna know and what they are interested into that what are people like me actually doing on this site to retrieve money. Like a why do i get money from what?

    Thanks for the post

    Best Regards
    eXon2

    • Kyle says:

      I know you are really going to enjoy WA Artur and I do recommend that you start with the Starter Membership. In response to your questions about collecting money, this is how it works.

      Almost every product/service online has an “affiliate program”. People like you and I can sign up to these programs and we can promote their products/services in exchange for a kickback. When your traffic you send them converts into a sale, you earn money. This money is then paid out to you in a variety of ways, most companies offer both check payment or paypal along with bank wiring. The affiliate program at Wealthy Affiliate (which you are not required to promote) does pay out via Paypal on the 1st of every month.

      I also have a thread on how the make money process works online that I recommend you check out.

      Hope this clarifies. ;)

  196. bob says:

    I was in EN and to all the people here that do not get it.BE SMART GET OUT.

    They promote you to get in it for the system of BLOGGING.

    Now understand this and follow me here for a minute.

    No one in EN will ever answer one dam QUESTION other then its about BLOGGING system and you need to BLOG everyday…

    1- EN- So your paying for the blogging system $25 OK. Ok so there is one PRODUCT ( lol ).

    Now you can go get hosting for $10 a month and one time say $14 for a domain or get it from GoDaddy. They also gives you wordpress blogging FREE. Conference room FREE,video suite FREE,templates so you can do your websites and landing pages FREE.

    Ok Hope your following me so far?

    2- Now you have to get E-Wallet for payment for $19.95 a month for processing to collect your money…

    Because they said Paypal FEES were to high( don’t really matter on answers to that true or not)
    So your get to use their processing service they say.

    Now your paying for a processing fee which is the $19 that goes thru them and they doing all the selling for you. Your just getting the people there. Now why cant they send you your money after they collect it like any other online company does less the charges on the process.

    Paypal is FREE but:(small fee to collect money). Checks are totally FREE. Same with a Money Orders.

    3- Ok now this was really where I got confused and figured it out.The Only product they are really selling you is the blogging and a Common Sense tips on doing business… But now they have to up sell you to the $100 which is nothing but the same BS videos. It’s all hype videos and about them and their EGO. They do give some good information. But still not worth $100 a month more. Let alone they keep telling you about the PRODUCTS (still don’t know what it is)

    Now the Up Sell is $500…..

    That’s when I knew. TIME to leave this BULL.

    There is no product.They keep telling you about this super product but they can’t tell you what it is till you get to each level. They when you get there is them dumb ass videos. Which if you watch really close you catch the lies because the first one to get in tell you something different from the next and it was the same topic… So the videos will prove it if your in EN.

    Now I like to know a product name that you sell in EN…..other then wordpress. or basically what it does.

    Why would someone buy a product that you wont even tell a free person what it basically does or is.you claim these products cost money. Well if you have to pay to get it. They why you hiding what it does or called.All you talk about is blogging. Whats the dam product your talking about?

    Sorry at work so I couldn’t proof read this for corrections…

    • Kyle says:

      You share the exact sentiment as many folks that have used EN that have “woken” to what they are actually paying for. They are not paying for any real quality product, yes there are products there, but rather they are paying so they can promote those same products to others. They are overpriced and in many cases, they should be FREE.

      I also want to add to some of the things that you have said and some of the things that you have brought up in respect to Empower Network.

      1- EN- So your paying for the blogging system $25 OK. Ok so there is one PRODUCT ( lol ).

      And there are much better services for FREE, blogs that actually rank and that you can use to promote whatever you like. I know there is the argument that you can promote whatever you like on the EN blog, but the reality is that you can’t. There has never been anyone out there that has succeeded promoting “dog training” products along side a EN branded site. Either your promote EN or you fail with their program, not much flexibility there.

      I also did a comparison between Empower Blogs and other websites out there that I think anyone reading this should check out.

      2- Now you have to get E-Wallet for payment for $19.95 a month for processing to collect your money… Now why cant they send you your money after they collect it like any other online company does less the charges on the process.

      Yep, no other “legit” program does this.

      3- But now they have to up sell you to the $100 which is nothing but the same BS videos.

      The real selling point is not these audios/videos, it is the fact that if you buy you are going to be able to get full commissions and push these products off on other people. That is how the cycle works and you don’t get paid by the information you learn within the training, you get paid by FORCING your downline to buy it. You wussy!

      Now the Up Sell is $500…..That’s when I knew. TIME to leave this BULL.

      I am glad this is where you exited, because the additional ONE TIME payment upsells were just getting started. The $500 is followed by another $1000 training package and then a $3500 one! All this because you tried to get a blog for $25…and you ended up getting sucked into the scheme and pushed around within it until you would be guilted into spending $5,000 for digital products (a complete joke) and another $145 per month for the inner circle and your blog.

      That is close to $7,000 per year for a system that is promoted as $25 per month…if people only knew this before signing up!

  197. Ryan says:

    Those guys Lawrence Tam, Black, and so forth promoting heavily on Empower Network are pure frauds. They did a live google hangout on ranking keywords in under 30 minutes which was bogus and very amateur internet marketing which gets no results.

    sure, its easy to rank for keywords nobody searches for. Try ranking for something with a bit of search volume and competition. They can’t.

    I’ve seen all of their stuff and I’ve been inside EN thinking I can learn some advanced internet marketing – which turned out to be utter garbage and useless. You have to pay an insane amount of fees to quality for things that makes no sense. You also need to hustle a ton of people to get your fair share of payments, otherwise you won’t be earning a dime.

    Tens of thousands of people have not earned a dime and are brainwashed dimwits.

    How do I know? well – you can check on anybody these days and there are those that claim to be making a fortune and if you google enough details about them you’d find them living in a dump. They even call me out for not trying enough. The FTC seriously need to crack down on this organization to save tens of thousands more from being ripped off and passing money to their “upliners” – scam artists.

    As convincing as they sound beware!

    • Kyle says:

      Ryan, you are right on with your thoughts. It is absolutely easy to rank for keywords that have no competition…and there are many slight of hand tricks that folks plan on to think that they are getting rankings with their EN blogs. The fact of the matter is they DO NOT rank, Google in fact severely punished them with the latest Penguin update.

      And there is one sound reason for this. When you have 10,000’s of people that don’t know what they are doing in terms of content creation and SEO putting content on the EXACT same site, you are going to be marked as spam to Google. Folks will argue this point because their “masters” are showing them they still rank, but anyone with half a brain can quickly uncover the truth.

      The model is based on promoting EN to other unsuspecting folks. It is not about educating people on how to create a business online, I don’t see anyone promoting “other products” online…the entire herd is promoting EN and this because that is what every sponsor is promoting. Why? Because if the pyramid does not keep building, their profits will dwindle so they rely on more and more folks joining into the scheme.

      Thanks for your insights Ryan, I know many folks are going to benefit from them.

  198. Pat says:

    I happened to find this website when I googled “Empower Network Scam”. I knew from day 1 this was just another “Shiny Object Syndrome” get rich blah blah blah. Fortunately for me, I’m wise enough to not become hypnotized and victimized from this cult. I call it as I see it. It’s another cult. I’ve read a lot of bad reviews on Empower Network, but unfortunately,there a lot of people drinking the koolaid and supporting it and defending it like it’s the next coming of Christ.

    Here’s the problem I have with the Internet Marketing industry. It’s garbage tactics used by these gurus that tell you’re broke, or worse, call you a “wussy” and degrade you if you don’t go all in or join regardless. That is the most unethical, unprofessional tactics used in business whether it’s online or offline. Seriously, do you think I would want to associate myself with asshats who use those tactics?

    If you read the comments on here or on other blogs, the ones who are defending their such awesome company, look at the mentality of these people. Do you really want to do involve yourself with people who use improper vocabulary and thug mentality? There is no way on Gods green earth I would associate with holier than though fake people like Dave and Dave and the rest of his cronies.

    I’ll guarantee you, 95% are making little to no money. The top few are raking it in. And you know what? You think they care about anyone who joins and are struggling? Think again. If you tell your sponsor that you’re struggling and ask for help, they will degrade you and accuse you of being “negative”. Oh, but they love you when you’re conning other people to join. These marketers are so brainwashed it’s not even funny. Dave and Dave are slick sleazy snake oil salesman who are also very clever. They use the “Crybaby Marketing” to prey on your emotions. Meaning the sob stories they tell..I lived in a van and had $50.00 to my name or I was a drug addict blah blah blah. They train you to use sob stories to recruit others. Can we say unethical?

    Another thing I want to clarify. If anyone tells you Internet Marketing is easy? It’s not by a long shot. It’s VERY hard and it takes a lot of skills. ALOT more than just following 3 or 4 simple steps. It makes me sick to see the hard working struggling people getting sucked in by these con artists, who are very clever and very smart. They have a gift of gab that most people don’t. It’s just a shame they don’t use that cleverness in a more positive light. Unfortunately, this is the new generation we live in. Fake attracts fake, drama attracts drama, unethical tactics attract unethical people.

    I would not recommend anyone joining this worthless scam. Especially if you’re a beginner, intermediate or a flat out newbie. You will lose your hard earned money, your sanity, your mental state and your soul. Empower Network will only complicate your life. The top Gurus will not give you their secrets to making millions. Most of all, they don’t give a damn about you.

    Avoid Empower Network like the plague!

    • Kyle says:

      I share a lot of the same concerns about the Internet Marketing industry Pat, I always have. People tend to look for anything that “sounds” like a good opportunity, by nature we want success and many of us hope that this is going to happen quick. That is where an industry of scammers is derived from, the fact that there is such a large audience that believes they can create a business overnight and that they can pay to access shortcuts.

      However, anyone that has created any level of success knows this is not true. Empower Network feeds off of this audience and it works in a viral fashion because one person that is looking for quick success tells another person looking for quick success that they need to buy in under them in order to achieve this. Then when this happens, they are told to buy more. Then they are told to do the same to other folks…and then this happens over and over and as you said, the cult is formed.

      As you said, the ones defending this program have no ground to stand on and there arguments are all the same ones that have been brainwashed into them. That is why EN has enforced rules like “no negativity” to curb those folks that see through the scheme and want to speak up…they are shut down quickly within the community. You don’t have to read too far within the comments here or online to realize that there are many people out there uncovering what this program is about and the gray area of ethics that this entire community is hanging out within.

      You are called a crybaby if you aren’t succeeding and complain about it (in other words, if you are not good at hustling people into a program like EN), and if you don’t buy their $5,000 in overpriced products, you are called a wussy. I don’t know how people actually defend this program with a straight face. Actually I do, they have to defend their “purchase” that they have made and the $5,000 they have spent or they will look ridiculous to the rest of the world. However, they end up looking more ridiculous!

      One thing that has become accepted is that their “top” affiliate is a well known criminal and was charged for grand theft insurance fraud. That is OK somehow??! That is the ambassador of the program and who people want to put their name and their business beside?! I know people are going to start waking up, it is just a matter of time and based on the feedback I have received, there is hope.

  199. Graham Frame says:

    Lucky all these people found your blog Kyle; it seems like you run the only genuine and trustworthy opportunity online.
    Well done its about time there was something that everyone who joined would be successful with.

    • Kyle says:

      I do sense your sarcasm, but I can tell you that there are some really legitimate opportunities out there for those that are looking to create an actual business versus being involved in a scheme. EN is the latter.

  200. Rhys Jones says:

    How can you say there is nothing to sell, no product!!!! The Internet Market training in EN which you can apply to any online business is second to none!! Yes you have to invest in yourself and do as they say. No you will not blog toa fortune and NOBODY says that. Maybe thats what you want to hear. From what Ive read here most people are in COMPLETELY the wrong frame of mind, and think that you pay $25 a month and it will all come to you. Wake up its a business oportunity NOT A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME.

    There are many splinter groups now built onto the EN model BIM with Vick St is phenomenal. Join A Mentor is another wonderful support group. The FREE advice and suggestions on how to make money online coming out of the facebook groups is unbelievable. Its not hypey its motivatiuonal and inspiring instead of looking at the downside of things for goodness sake, take a positive view, GET IN THE RIGHT MINDSET work at it and you will be successful. Noone is getting ripped off!!!! They are being given an opportunity to change their lives. If people dont take action, or only take action once and for a few days they only have themselves to blame.

    Ive been in internet marketing for 6-7 years, done a bit here and there, but the training (THE PRODUCTS) is top class. Why should you be educated enough to sell/advise on a product if you havent experienced it yourself.

    Well thats my 2p but from my experience, and from positive stories of success that I read everyday THIS IS NOT A SCAM!

    • Kyle says:

      Hey Rhys,

      It sounds like you are enthralled in the program over at EN and hopefully I can help shed some light on the program for you if you are willing to listen. The thing is that I find most folks within the network are so immersed that they have reached the point that they don’t realize what they are doing, also known as brainwashing. I have noticed this to be taking place more and more because the following as a whole all are starting to spout the EXACT SAME ideologies, which are for the most part inaccuracies that have been drilled into your way of thinking.

      Here is the definition of brainwashing: Make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure.

      I fully believe what this is happening and I will show you why within my refutes to your arguments.

      How can you say there is nothing to sell, no product!!!!

      OK, so what are you selling? You are selling the idea of EN and success online to others. You are not selling a product to someone else, in order to get the product they have to join EN. Don’t you see anything wrong with this? If it is not immediately apparent to you, I will move on here because chances are you will never understand.

      No you will not blog to a fortune and NOBODY says that. Maybe thats what you want to hear.

      What’s the purpose of paying for a blog then, $25 per month + $19.95 per month just so you can get paid. Before you leave the gates, you are already spending $45 per month and you have a blog that is basically useless. How is that fair to the consumer and what are you really selling people into. Is the only reason you are selling people into this system so you can make money? If so, then that is very unethical.

      And yes, anyone with knowledge of how REAL online business works, you can absolutely create a full time business online with a website…and this can be done within any niche. If you weren’t forced to be so close minded within this ponzi-like system, you would realize that there are real, ethical ways to create a business online and it does not involve you forcing others to join under you and paying YOU money to get a useless blog.

      I find it incomprehensible that someone would think it is OK to sell others on the idea of a blogging system that you are directly telling me won’t make a fortune when in fact, Empower Network’s main headline on their website clearly indicates that the viral blogging system is a “lucrative solution”.

      Wake up its a business opportunity NOT A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME.

      If you define “making money” as a business opportunity, then I suggest that this may fall into a category. If you define “creating a business” (which makes a lot more sense) as a business opportunity, then EN definitely does not accomplish this. Robbing banks and stealing purses is also a way to making money and for those that define the principles of business as making money, will also probably think those are business opportunities as well.

      Let me tell you exactly what you are doing within your “scheme”…again, it is NOT a business.

      (1) You are selling people a blog for $25 per month (it doesn’t get ranked, and you said that it is NOT the way to be successful online).
      (2) In order to receive any money from EN, you have to pay $19.95 per month. No other company does this (that I am aware of) and somehow this has become acceptable wit the EN folks…because they don’t know any better. If you did your research, you would realize the reason this has to be done is because no “merchant” like Paypal would touch the EN business because it is a scheme, not a business.
      (3) You then try to get the people that join under you to go “all in”. Why? Because it is more money in your pocket. Yes there may be some training in there, but the only reason you are trying to get people to go all in is because you want to earn more money off of the people you sponsor. Sick.
      (4) Then you try to get folks to join the other “high ticket” programs. This can cost several $1,000’s. The reason. You make more money if you do.
      (5) If the people you sponsor don’t go “all in” you call them a wussy. Your are supposed to “guilt” them into paying more money and if they don’t, often times they are belittled.

      Nowhere along the way are you creating a business and nowhere are you actually helping people. You are trying to get them to buy MORE stuff in attempt to make YOU more money. Then you try to tell them to do the same thing to other unsuspecting customers.

      BIM with Vick St is phenomena

      You mean the fellow with a criminal record for insurance grand theft fraud. That is your role model and whom everyone is looking up to within Empower Network. It is common knowledge out there (on forums and such), that the leader and top affiliate of EN has a history of fraud. When a companies top leader is involved in this sort of activity and is one that has been showcased by Empower Network, what does that say about the entire business itself?

      You are probably so “into” this system that you don’t care who you get your information from…which in itself is pretty pathetic.

      They are being given an opportunity to change their lives

      Is this for the better or the worse? First, they are paying money for a blog that does nothing for them. So immediately they are going to be out money. They are going to be forced into the sales cycle and be out $1,000’s if the commit to going “all in”. I have heard many people selling their vehicles or spending their child’s college fund money to do this. You are right, this is changing lives…

      If you call taking money out of one persons pocket and putting it in yours changing lives, then I am not sure you are going to have too many friends for too long.

      and from positive stories of success that I read everyday THIS IS NOT A SCAM

      What about your own positive stories. Sure, they will get the people on stage with the big checks while 10,000’s are suffering in the audience hoping to be those people holding the big checks. And the way they are making money, getting more people like yourself to join “under” them. You become on of the lemmings following behind them, getting a weak education, while never really creating a business. You are part of a pyramid structure that will continue to crumble if you cannot hustle more folks under you into the program. When that stops, so does all your revenue.

      That is the part that really frustrates those that understand business and how it operates. What you are creating is not a business. You are part of a system, one in which has blinded you from the real opportunities that lie out there. I do hope that one day you wake up to your senses, but that will ultimately be up to you and the decisions you make. There are real ways to make money online and ways you can get rewarded for helping others in an ethical way, rather than taking money from them.

  201. Daniel says:

    Hey Kyle, gained a real insight into what EN and what this Big Idea Mastermind thing is all about. Doesn’t sound like my kind of thing even though Vick or Vitaly is very convincing. Just want to know your thoughts on his Easy Landing Page Pro software, its free seems pretty legit. Would appreciate your thoughts. Cheers

    • Kyle says:

      I would stay clear of anything that is a “landing page generator”. While these may have been a decent idea back in 2009, creating a landing page is easy within any framework like WordPress or Joomla and you should be using these types of sites. Also, automation of anything these days in terms of pages and content is not a very good idea. I discuss this within my automation thread and you may want to check it out.

  202. Dean says:

    What would you suggest instead?!?

  203. Matthew Bratton says:

    A lot of what they teach is also just plain wrong and misleading. They tell you that because EN has a high Alexa ranking, your blog will rank high in the search engines. A site’s Alexa ranking has nothing to do with how an individual will rank in the search engines. They also tell you to “blog about anything” and you’ll make money. You can’t just blog about anything to make money in this industry. I’m getting emails and voicemails from my “sponsor” almost daily since I quit. It’s funny how I never heard from him when I was in EN. When he saw he lost me, he contacts me. What a sleaze.

    • Kyle says:

      You are absolutely correct Matthew, Alexa is meaningless and has nothing to do with rankings nor does it have much to do with the actual traffic a site gets. Alexa has no idea how much traffic a site gets, they don’t have access to this information. It is laughable to hear all the folks at EN bragging about Alexa and how well their sites rank, because fact of matter is they don’t rank…they have been heavily penalized by Google.

      I am sorry to hear you have had to deal with this and you have had to deal with a sleazy sponsor. It sounds like this is becoming more and more prevalent as they only care about earning money off of you, not about your actual success. This is obvious based on your experience (they only help when you are ready to quit).

      All hope is not lost, I would love to help you out. I do suggest you check out my Getting Started page.

  204. Elaine Bushman says:

    They are harassing me on my cell phone. I would like them to please stop calling me. I have tried to tell them that in their harassing phone calls but to no avail. I think I am going to report them to the BBB and the FTC if you don’t stop calling me.

    • Kyle says:

      Sorry to hear this is going on. This is the technique that is “taught” within the Empower Network, calling folks until they “give in” and join. You are not the first that has complained to me about harassing calls and I am sure not the last. If you need to report someone, I would go ahead and do it. There are many ways you can file complaints out there Elaine and I suggest you do what you feel is write.

      So sorry to hear that anyone could treat you in this way and this should be a red flag for anyone that is looking to get into this program as they are likely going to be working with folks just like the one that is harassing you.

    • Michael Alvanos says:

      You should report them!

      It is a shame that Empower Network is not run like a franchise and just let anybody in….

      ….Think MacDonalds. Even if you have the minimum $2,000.000 to buy a franchise, Macdonalds can pick their franchisees!

      And to think that Empower Network allows anyone to join who has just $25.

      Michael Alvanos
      http://www.empowernetwork.com/michaelalvanos

      • Kyle says:

        You are comparing a scheme to one of the most successful businesses in the world. At McDonalds you don’t have to suck other franchisees into McDonalds, you are dealing with customers that are buying a product they have come to know and love. Big difference, but apparently you have been brainwashed to think the two are even somewhat comparable.

  205. joanne says:

    Thanks for putting this information out to the public… I went through all the videos and actually considered buying into EN… the thing is I was told it was FREE for days and days just to be led to the finale where I was asked for money and my lil red flag went off.. .and I still almost fell for it, because let’s face it.. if you don’t research Vick.. he’s kind of convincing.. ,then I noticed i would have to pay another 20 a month to get paid… that’s when I thought for sure something was up… punched in “what is EN” and came across your article.. thank you, thank you, thank you!!! So effin ticked at *ssholes’ pretending you want you to succeed while they rip you off! #smarterthanthescamsinglemom

    • Kyle says:

      Joanne, they are very convincing but that is how “sales” works within the Empower Network community. They are not selling the service, they are selling the idea of being able to earn a “fortune”…however, their services are weak in nature, very expensive, and you can get much better options out there for much less.

      The short and long of it is, the $25 per month is just the start of the sales cycle they put you in. This is followed by a required $20 per month to receive payment, $100 per month for their inner circle, following by $1,500 in other high ticket programs and then having to attend the expensive conferences to hear their “rah rah” brainwashing sessions that someone convince everyone into thinking a program like this is ethical. The prep them all with some real baseless arguments.

      If you ever need a hand with getting a business up and running, I can absolutely help (and get you up and running for no cost). :)

    • Kurt Tasche says:

      EN never says anywhere that their system is free. If someone told you this, it is them that lied – not Empower Network.

      • Kyle says:

        I never said it was free, but absolutely the websites you are trying to “sell people on” should be free. Here is why. I see from your own personal website that you have been taught to do a redirect from a domain to your EN blog. That is unfortunate that you are being taught techniques will actually do more harm than good and I hope that one day that you do decide to get some real training on how Internet business works.

        I do believe that you have the best intentions at heart Kurt, but you are being lead astray by trying to promote this program to others instead of working to create your own business and brand online. You don’t own your EN blog and you have taken an entity you don’t own, and linked it directly to a site that doesn’t rank (the en.com recently got hit bad by Google Penguin for spam reasons).

        The content that you have paid for and that you are trying to get other people to pay for should also be free. It is unfortunate that you are letting the cycle of this scheme continue, but it is ultimately up to you what you define as an opportunity and ethical. I wish you all the best in your future endeavours.

  206. David says:

    This post is a joke! Interesting that after this review the author promotes another opportunity…unbiased review right?

    People find fault when they can’t or are unwilling to do what is necessary to succeed. It’s the 99% syndrome and this attitude is pathetic at best.

    Everyone is entitled to there own opinion though :-)

    The EN products are real – it’s information and education on how to build a business online as well as a lot personal development.

    A INC 500 education company sells information products for real estate investors that costs 25k or more. They teach you information on how to rehab and invest in real estate!

    People label things a scam when they refuse to take responsibility for their own failure. If they don’t have immediate success at something, don’t fully understand the value or if they don’t fully have all the facts they label it a scam and write up some BS BIASED review!

    The inner circle is priceless. The 15k formula should be 10 times what they charge. I could go on and on.

    I’ve used the lessons, trainings and education inside Empower Network to help me become a better person, grow my primary business and surround myself with like minded success driven professionals.

    If educational products on how to build ANY business online and to improve yourself are a scam then I would label our entire college education system a scam too.

    • Kyle says:

      It is an unbiased discussion, absolutely David. If you would like, read the comment thread below and yo will see how many folks really “understand” what EN stands for, not just those that have been brainwashed into becoming part of the herd of lemmings.

      And I have good reason to point people in the direction of the “service” that I can offer them, this is because I want to HELP people get rolling. In fact, what I am offering people for FREE is more than you are trying to “CHARGE” people for. Sorry about that. If you want to check it out for yourself, you can do so here.

      I am sorry to hear that you are so “ethical” that you are:

      (1) Trying to get people to pay for a $25 blog that won’t rank (and that they have no ownership of). I am offering people 2 superior blogs for free.
      (2) Trying to charge people $19.99 so they can receive payment online. I can offer the same thing for free.
      (3) Trying to get people to go “all in” and get some additional training at $100 per month. I am offering people over 1,000 training modules & discussion (video, text, and courses for free), along with TWO walk-through training courses.
      (4) You are trying to get people to buy two additional programs at a cost of $1,500. I am giving more value away for free within the WA starter membership. If someone decides to upgrade to our Premium membership (includes EVERYTHING one needs to run a business), they could get 5 YEARS (yes, years) full access to the community, the training, the websites, the support, the tools, and private mentoring (owners included) for this price.

      So before you get into me being unethical, just realize that you are selling a bunch of “stuff” to people that not only should be free, I am offering it to people for free. I am simply acknowledging that there is MUCH BETTER out there than EN and if you take off the blinders, you will quickly realize this. Watch this quick video if you don’t believe me.

      PS. I also think our college/university education system is a scam, so no arguments there.

    • Dorothy M. Neddermeyer, PhD says:

      David: Thanks for your spot on comments. I agree. I am a happy EN blogger. My business has increased over 100% in the past year–in a down market… Thanks to EN and DAVE and DAVE.

      • Kyle says:

        Dorothy, it is quite apparent that they didn’t offer you any training on design or aesthetics of your website. The results you have achieved were a result of your hard work and I think if you were given some proper training, you even further ahead of the game. I would be more than happy to help you out for free through Wealthy Affiliate. Simply create a Starter account and you will have direct access to my support and proper training for your existing website.

  207. Neil Ashworth says:

    Good stuff Kyle..

    I’ve avoided EN and even though I may have missed out on making a few dollars by selling the dream to a bunch of people who know no better, I’m more than happy with my decision.

    If you want to build your own online business start by building your own website, finding and defining your own USP and creating a great offer to sell over and over again to your customer base. Develop the skills to do this and you won’t need to keep chasing dreams and dreamers all over the internet!

    Keep up the great work Kyle!

    • Kyle says:

      Thank you Neil, on behalf of all the people that you would have “displaced” from their hard earned money. Selling the dream to folks in efforts to many is a no brainer. Many people don’t care about others, their story or what their financial situation is. They just want to make money and the EN scheme is catering to this. Make money at any cost…get as many people to sign-up under you at any cost…and teach them to do the EXACT SAME THING!

      There is mass opportunity in actually helping people and solving problems. I am an advocate of any program that teaches this, unfortunately the program at EN is not one of them.

  208. Lou says:

    Thanks Kyle. Just recently signed up to EN for the 25 but knew there was something I was feeling uncomfortable with. Empowerment and calling people Wussies doesnt go hand in hand for me. Definitely want to learn to make money online but want to retain my integrity along the way. Need to rethink my next step. Cheers.

    • Kyle says:

      No problem Lou, one thing that has remained a constant from what I have seen in the online world, is those that retain their integrity and those that create their business with the goal of helping others (not just making money), will end up with a much longer term business. I think you have made the right move to reconsider, but ultimately this is up to you. :)

  209. ken says:

    kyle,
    Ok, sounds like you may have something worth looking into but i have to say you would be better served if you eliminate the negative attacks on others. Anyone who claims to be perfect is just lying. Not sure if I can get past being called a hustler but I will try.

    • Kyle says:

      Call it what you will Ken.

      You are “hustling” people into your program. You get them to join, you get paid. They get nothing more than a blog that doesn’t rank that they don’t own and one that is centric around promoting the very same program, and in order for them to “get paid” they have to pay another $20 per month. So $45 per month later, they have a blog that doesn’t rank, and you get to earn 1 out of every 5 months that they stick around (not sure how 20% commission is fair to you either, since you did the hard work).

      Then if you are part of an upline, you get some training tools and resources (which I can see you are leveraging) that will help you hustle more folks into the program and build your upline. From your website, I can see that you are involved with a guy by the name of Vick. If you want more information on the sort of folks that you are “rolling” with.

      Here are some resources that you may want to use for your own personal investigation before you get too involved.

      http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/insurance-agent-sentenced-on-grand-theft/?id=89083

      http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/7-Figure-Marketing-School-By-Vick-Strizheus/internet/7-Figure-Marketing-School-Vick-Strizheus-Fraud-Run-Away-Scam-Internet-558059

      This is common knowledge as it is currently being free discussed within many forums and online boards. You can do your own research and see what you come up with (and I suggest you do).

      Also, when you are ready to learn how to create an ACTUAL business, I will help you out. But until then, I do wish you all the best and I hope you do take a bit of time to do some own due diligence into the program you are promoting and the people you are associating with. Look past the hype…

  210. Michael says:

    it’s sad to see the only way that you build your company up is by tearing down another company. there is a reason Empower Network is as big as it is, how big is your company? your negativity towards empower network is ultimately going to hurt you in the end but good luck my friend

    • Kyle says:

      It actually has nothing to do with this, I was tired of people coming to me that had been “scammed”. I have been in the industry long enough to see just about everything, and there has definitely been a new wave in the last 2 years of some of the most unethical programs I have ever seen. You can only reach a certain point where you have a duty to help others realize that air they are breathing is polluted. Unfortunately you cannot see this because you obviously have the blinders on, but I can only hope one day you will come to your senses Michael.

      It is not just my negativity, it is 1,000’s of people who truly understand business…and instead of asking one how big their company is, you should ask them how reputable, how trustworthy, and how ethical their company is. If everything to you is MONEY AT ANY COST, I can assure you that yes, you will have some money, no brand, and you will always be sitting in the grey area of ethics. I guess we all choose our own path, but the one I take and teach others is one of ethics…and I will call out any program that does otherwise.

      You don’t own a business Michael, you are part of a scheme. Big difference.

  211. ken says:

    Kyle,
    If I understand correctly you don’t have a product and you charge $59 a month for advice. Sounds pretty much like you are in the same boat as EN to me.

    • Kyle says:

      You are actually wrong. We have a product and we don’t charge you to check it out Ken. And if you want our Premium service, which is more than you will get ANYWHERE in the world, it is only $29 per month (if you buy yearly). This includes everything you need to create and grow an online business. 1,000’s of training modules, unlimited websites of your own and free websites, state of the art hosting and monitoring, personal expert mentoring, 12 classrooms, live weekly video training, keyword and research tools, writing tools…

      If you really want to understand what is offered, you can check it out via my review. I can assure you what I can offer folks for free is way more than you are trying to “hustle” people for within your network. Also, I hope you realize the very person you are promoting on your website (yes, I checked it out) has a criminal history with insurance grand theft fraud. If you are proud to put your name and your word on something like that, then you cannot be trusted yourself.

      • Paul Alden says:

        most of us out here have a past, just because you don’t doesn’t make you any smarter..in fact it’s probably the exact thing that is clouding your judgement

        • Kyle says:

          I have never heard this argument. Is having a criminal history now a selling feature in the world of ethics? That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard, if I am not smarter because I don’t get charged for grand theft, then I am not sure what your definition of smart is.

          I think that this is going to shed a lot of light on the type of people that are involved with Empower Network. “We don’t care about criminal records, in fact, if you don’t have one you have a clouded perspective on life.” I am sure that your statements are going to send ALL ethical folks running in the other direction, thanks for that. :)

  212. kent says:

    Yeah they SUCK ! They Bait and switch all the way through to just to suck more money from you ! It’s a Huge pyramid Scheme !!! May they All Rot! If I see either one of them on the street , I’m going to kick thier little sissy asses…

    • Kyle says:

      Kent, sorry to hear about your negative experiences. Perhaps you could have a better approach with your choice of words, but I do understand that you feel jaded and I have had many, many, many stories from folks that are saying the same things. I wish you all the best going forward and if you every need a hand setting up an online business (I promise, no bait and switch..just help), let me know.

  213. Matt says:

    Fantastic information, Kyle.

    I appreciate your helpful insights on EN. I was seriously thinking of joining due to the sense of community they presented. But, now that I have read your review of what is really going on, I am going a different direction.

    THanks for saving me the hassle!

    • Kyle says:

      Community or cult. It is only a community if you agree with everything the community says. Obey or be shunned. It doesn’t take much research to realize that if you are negative within the community, you will receive a lot of backlash. That is because in order for a model like this to work, the downlines need to keep coming. It was like Bernie Madoff and his system, nobody questioned it while they were making money, but as soon as the inflow of new members stopped, people woke up to what the hell was going on.

      Same thing here. People have no idea what they are doing, they are just doing it. They are signing their friends up at the expense to their friend. Then they are getting their friends to do the same. This is not a new strategy and it is definitely not an ethical MLM. It is one that is based on the same principles that a ponzi is based on. Exact same.

      An operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors.

      If it was “so good”, should they not be giving people acccess to it for free to check it out. I know that when I want to buy a phone, I get to check it out and use it within the Apple store before I buy it. The problem is, what they are selling you should be free and the only reason it is being sold is because people are told that the way to make money online is selling it.

  214. Linds says:

    Thanks Kyle for being an honest and critical person; a couple of these people starting following my blog and contacted me with it. I started searching and glad I came across your review as there are few out there yet (thanks to it being so new and some of this generation being gullible). I, myself, am sick of unethical money making (and I agree with your idea about Costa Rica); we already have bad people on Wall Street and Congress, we don’t need this generation to continue contributing to it.

    • Kyle says:

      Lots of companies do leverage tax havens such as Costa Rica and you cannot fault a company for using them if they are in a jurisdiction that has unusually high tax rates. I think it should be clear of motives other than “it’s a beautiful place” because there is good business reasons to create a start-up from a region like this.

      Anyways, I digress and don’t want to get into a big tax debate, but I do agree there are bad people everywhere in the world and I know there are a lot of good/great people within EN that have just been pressured into thinking a certain way. With some good orchestration, a few folks can lead sheep over a cliff whilst them all thinking it is a wonderful idea.

      • carl says:

        Kyle and one more thing the company is not based in Costa Rica. It is located in Florida. Make sure you have your facts straight.

        • Kyle says:

          I state that one of the owners lives in Costa Rica, which by all measures is a tax haven. If you understand tax laws, you would also understand the benefits of living in a tax free country and some of the tax efficient strategies you can implement.

  215. James says:

    EN is the most unprofessional “business opportunity i have ever seen, the owners are very disrespectful and just seem to be distant from the reality behind the business scheme. DO NOT JOIN EMPOWER NETWORK…if you want to earn money online create your own site and sell goods/merchandise…you can also make good money trading forex and securities….at least this way your not going around begging and harassing people flooding sites with posts of undesirable and empty ads

    • Kyle says:

      There are 101 ways to earn a living online that are above the board and that are actual “businesses” by definition. I would agree with you in your approach and that is one of the main strategies that I recommend to folks that are looking to create an actual business. Promoting something does not mean you have a business, creating something of substance does.

  216. Sean says:

    I am from Empower and YOU ARE A WUSSY! I make money taking money from others and I don’t even care. You are a loser and so are all you folks that care about your “ethics” and stuff. It’s all about the benjamins baby.

    • Kyle says:

      You have just validated a lot about the program you are involved with Sean. Thanks, I am sure the “ethical” folks out there are going to really appreciate reading that. :)

    • Kyle says:

      People that can’t rationalize their thoughts make me sick. People that take others money with the sole effort of making them more money makes me sick. That is the reason for this review.

  217. Rocco says:

    Well Kyle I to am an affiliate with EN, but can see the writing on the wall. It’s a bunch of hype and the leaders are on the top and all the money is flowing from the bottom up. I’m sick of the wussies calling everyone else one. Been in for two months and will be canceling by the end of June. Lost 90 bucks not bad for a lesson learned.

    • Kyle says:

      Glad you were able to see through it Rocco, because frankly most people don’t. A lot of people are scarred to be negative because it is one of the main EN rules that you cannot be negative within the community. I am sure glad you came to your senses and beyond the hype, realized that there was nothing more than a baseless MLM program where you had to make people join under you in order to see any results, with no opportunity to earn revenue in any particular niche or with any product other than promoting EN itself.

      I would be more than happy to help you out as well and get you moving in the right direction (if you like). If you are interested, I suggest you check out the following “Getting Started Online” page as it will clear up a bunch of stuff for you. Hope this helps buddy.

  218. M.Borgarbúi says:

    “Cheap” fame for blog writing wannabes. It’s like Herbalife – if you believe in it – it works, even if it doesn’t do a shit.

    • Kyle says:

      Exactly my point. Just because you are making money doing something, doesn’t mean that you are actually doing something productive or ethical. Bank robbers make money do they not? Fraudsters make money don’t they. You cannot classify someones success by how much money they are making alone, or you are going to put the unethical in the same category as the ethical (and the ethical do not appreciate this).

  219. Rooman says:

    Hi what do you recommend that works to make honest money from home

    • Kyle says:

      The starting point is a website, but a website that you have ownership of in a niche of your choice. I would not suggest becoming part of a program that is based on you promoting that exact program and provides no outside opportunities.

      You can earn revenue within any niche when you have a website and a foundation of knowledge to get rankings, traffic and understand the process of converting that website. I would suggest that you check out my Getting Started page here as this will walk you through the process of getting up and running and how to do so WITHOUT any investment.

      Hope this helps you out Rooman and if you do have any further questions, just hit me up.

  220. mandy says:

    Hey guys

    Yeah I research en for about three months late last year. I decided to sign up for the 25, then 100 inner circle. It sounded so good. Then they say you pay 500, then 1000 etc.

    Any way I payed for all of that. I sold my car to do it.

    Then i was that broke that I couldnt afford the 150 a month.

    So I had to quit. Of course no refunds. Guess what? I cant even listen to the information even though i paid 1500 bucks for it.

    Do I think it works? Yes, put the effort in, it will. But I honestly do get lazy, dont wana blog all the time etc. I think they are good people, its just more effort than you think if you wana make 10 thousand a month.

    Yes I do see what there doing, make out its just 25, but then if you sell a 500 dollar product/info your downline gets it not you. That sucks. But i understand their side and yours. :)

    • Kyle says:

      So let me get this straight. You invested $140 per month plus another $1,500 one time, sold your car and you still didn’t have a business to show for it. You didn’t even have your own website.

      This is really what frustrates me about programs like this. People spend their their hard earned money, often times selling their vehicle and their children’s future in attempt to make some quick cash. When all is said and done you are left with nothing…absolutely nothing.

      (1) You don’t have a website that you own (by the way, you could have had a network of 50 websites and completely training for the next 2 years for this amount of money)
      (2) You don’t have an specific knowledge on how to run a business online (other than maybe some rudimentary knowledge on how to “push” EN)
      (3) You are left with no network, no friends, and no car
      (4) You didn’t get the 100% commissions that were claimed, because you only are getting every 5th commission and you have to pay $100 per month to receive any of the $100 commissions
      (5) Unfortunately, you were taken for.

      There is hope Mandy, I can honestly say this. I would be more than happy to help you turn things around and show you how businesses are created online within ANY niche that you are interested in and show you how you accomplish success through helping people versus having to push people into your downline. In other words, earning money the ethical way.

      I would like you first to read how the process of making money online works and then take action on that process.

      If you need help going forward, there are people that care about you (without you having to sell your car).

      Cheers,

      Kyle

  221. Mark says:

    It’s funny that you type this big long article about ways to scam people and throw around a big name company like Empower Network just to funnel them into your other business… And you tell them, hey you can get started for $0. But wait, there is an upsell for $47 a month.

    You sit here and clown on Empower Network for having different products that people can choose to own. People actually get VALUE out of the information. You are not buying a $25, $100, $500, or $1000 piece of paper. It is real training, real marketing, and people have having real results. Whether they are promoting Empower Network or they are promoting one of their other businesses. With 150,000 paid members and over $50,000,000 paid out to affiliates.. Yeah, sure seems like scam. Get out of here with that nonsense.

    You simply made this post so that you could try and tear down a bigger and better program so that people would not join it.. and it would join you. I don’t see you mentioning in your article that they are clicking on your affiliate link. Get real. I’m guessing you won’t even allow this comment to be published because you don’t want people to see the truth.

    • Kyle says:

      Hey Mark,

      Thanks for stopping by. Let me first say that based on your website URL, I can honestly say that you need to brush up on your “online business” skills. I can tell instantly that you have an elementary knoweldge and all of these “paid products” that are buying may be feeding your ego and motivating you to find more unaware folks to bring into your scheme, but they are by no means making you a better marketer online. So first, before you jump out of your seat to criticize my logic, you should perhaps get a more astute knowledge of how online business works.

      I will get back to your statements in order.

      And you tell them, hey you can get started for $0. But wait, there is an upsell for $47 a month.

      Yes, there is an upsell and yes, I am explicitly clear about this within my review. One thing that I do want to mention is that within the FREE membership, folks get far more than they do within Empower Networks PAID component. You get TWO free websites (which you have full control over, unlike EN), you get Getting Started training (10 lessons, video training, niche and website help), you get access to REAL experts, you get access to a classroom with 100’s of training modules, you get access to a keyword research tool, and you get access to 24/7 live support. FOR FREE. Glad we got that out of the way.

      We also do have a Premium version yes, that offers a ton more. In fact, for $359 per year you can completely run any size of business, yes….million dollar businesses. No extra expenses, no forced “all in’s”, no upsells or expensive conferences, and no pressure. And folks can promote within any niche that they like, they are not forced into a downline hustle as they are at EN.

      With 150,000 paid members and over $50,000,000 paid out to affiliates.. Yeah, sure seems like scam. Get out of here with that nonsense.

      Since when did “money” dictate whether or not something was a scam. I am not sure if you understand the story of Bernie Madoff, but people were making BILLIONS within that ponzi, but it was a scam. Just because there is a lot of people doing something and a lot of money being exchanged does not mean something is ethical. You may want to “step outside the bubble” and look inside and look at what people are doing to each other.

      You sign-up someone. Then you try to teach them to sign-up more people. Then they try to sign-up more people. The cycle continues, with you on top of your own little sub “triangle” (I will refer to it as that, but you know what I mean). Everyone is buying into the system itself, nobody is selling anything other than the system, and this is the classic definition of a ponzi. Again here it is if you want to read about a Ponzi, because you should probably understand what you are selling to others (shouldn’t you).

      You simply made this post so that you could try and tear down a bigger and better program so that people would not join it.. and it would join you.

      Quite the contrary, I created this because I was tired of (a) people coming to me and crying poor because they had been ripped off by empower (b) people getting shameless promoted to from folks within the network. I have nothing against you nor others involved, we all make choices in life. However, I do have a duty to make sure people are ethically being promoted to online and are ethical in the nature in which they promote products.

      Why do I care in the first place? Because when people get scammed from companies like EN they make the assumption that the entire “online business world” is a complete fraud, and that is not the case. There are some ethical companies out there still that really do care about people’s success and this does not just equal money. It means creating a business in a way where it is an “actual business” (like we teach at WA) and doing so in a way that will serve the benefit of others.

      What you are doing only serves the benefit of others if they “buy a bunch of stuff” and then go on to get other people to “buy a bunch of stuff”. It is a selfish, self-centered way of “Trying” to make a living and you have been fooled into thinking what you are doing is creating a business.

  222. Caleb T says:

    Glad people like you exist Kyle, I just watched a YouTube video that led me to EN, they had me going for a while but I smelt a rat and Google came to the rescue. I’m glad I found you because I’ve been trying to make money online for ages now,just lost $2200 to betonmarkets.com. I’ll appreciate if you could email me actual steps to make money online because I’m presently just worth $100 and in debt.Thanks!

    • Kyle says:

      I am glad you stopped by. I am also glad you did your due diligence before buying into any program online, it is always a good idea. Too many people just “trust” what others are promoting without asking questions. Some of these common questions should be:

      (1) Why am I paying $25 per month for a blog I do not own, one in which I don’t even on the content? It doesn’t make sense and advocates of EN will spin it in a number of ways. They will say it has a high Alexa rank. This has nothing to do with rankings in Google, in fact, Alexa isn’t even a real “traffic” gauge. You can get much superior blogs elsewhere and ones that are not forcing you to promote the same program you buy into.

      (2) Why am I paying $20 per month just so I can get paid? Many advocates of Empower will tell you that you don’t have to pay this if you don’t want, but in order to receive any payments for your work within EN (which is solely based on promoting EN), you have to pay a monthly fee to a 3rd party company that allows you to receive payments. Another reason this is done because no ethical merchant account would ever allow a company like this to handle their own payments because it is too close to being a pyramid or a ponzi.

      (3) Why am I being forced to go “all in” (another $100 per month, $500 on time payment, $1000 one time payment)? Because the people “above” you only make money when you spend all of your hard earned money on senseless training courses, videos and audios.

      I can absolutely help you out Caleb and I want to do so for no cost, just check out the following on Getting Started and you will be pointed in the right direction. Hope this helps you out and I hope that your journey going forward is a scam free one.

  223. Danny says:

    As an actual network marketer, I came across “Empower Network” by an advertisement that stated that how I can make 5 figures a week in less than 6 months in MY company… So obviously I checked it out. Not much to my surprise, I came across this scheme. I was so confused on what were the products or service. I couldn’t find it anywhere. How interesting…

    • Kyle says:

      You can earn this much money if you can “convince” enough other people to get into this program and do the same thing as you, convince even more people to join it. Then you have to shame them into buying more products (going “all in”) in order to earn more money from them…and you have to go “all in” yourself and spend $140 per month plus the an extra $1,500 for the two training programs.

      If that sounds like something you are interested in, then I would say go for it. I think it sounds like you were able to quickly understand that it is not your typical MLM in that it does not have products you are selling to others, all of the money is generated from recruiting your downline and hoping (or shaming through name calling) into buying products themselves. You may be saying that this is a strange MLM model and that is because it is not one, it is a ponzi that is reliant on a constant downline to survive.

  224. James says:

    I joined for a while, but left because of something that Dave Wood said. This is not an exact quote,but he said that he was always fascinated by how certain people appeared attractive and he remembers waiting in line at a seminar to talk some high earner and there was a huge que and people just couldn’t wait and he suddenly realized that the excitement and impatience was nothing to with what the guy had to offer,but the very fact that there was a huge line of people.

    What?

    So he basically admitted that the stuff was crap, but it was curiosity that attracted people and that’s what made stuff sell. An empower network guy told me recently that in one of his latest videos on the ‘INSIDE’ he actually tries to HYPNOTIZE people in the video to buy the products. He even says that he will walk them through a trance like state to buy and he also mentions how famous he is and how people surround him at events like he is a prophet or a god. That was enough for me to turn the other way especially being a devote Christian.

    • Kyle says:

      Thanks for your feedback and insights into Empower James, I think it will be helpful to others to see what some of the leadership folks within this community are really like.

      Everyone within this network almost appear brainwashed. They don’t really know what they are promoting or why, they just know that if they do it they will earn money. They have been convinced through the motivational seminars and their “sponsor” that they need to do this and if they ever speak up and ask “why”, they tend to be ridiculed.

      I have spoken directly with many folks that have had to deal with abusive behaviour from those within the community at EN because they questioned the ethics. Instead of them rebutting with an explanation of how the system is ethical (which it of course is not), they folks within EN lowered themselves to name calling and one way shouting matches. Pretty typical stuff.

      I know that you are better off for your decision and there are real opportunities out there and I would be more than happy to help you out if you ever need it James.

  225. Luke says:

    Hi Kyle.
    Do you think Pure Leverage is the same as Empower Network?

    • Kyle says:

      Pure leverage is very much the same Luke and they have sell their program with the 100% commission (which is a complete lie like it is at Empower, it works out to be less than 20% commissions when you take the recurring sales)….and they have the same pyramid style hierarchy. Very similar product most definitely and one I would suggest you stay clear of (I have a review coming).

  226. Spuds says:

    Huge ponzi why would anybody want a sub-domain that belonged to another company for your blog can you say bye bye traffic

    • Kyle says:

      Anything with ANY knowledege of how the Internet operates and how search engines work simply wouldn’t. I have said over and over again, these blogs are limited, there are MUCH better alternatives for free, and they simply do not rank any longer.

      Yes, for those that argue this point and see that they are still “found” in the search engines, this does not mean they rank. Under their very own “branded” keywords, empower has been deemed as spam by Google. There are many other sites that they have also been banned from, either completely or to a limited degree. These include:

      -Twitter (very recent)
      -Facebook (though you still find shameless promotions there)
      -Youtube
      -Google (with further de-ranking coming)

      The problem here is that anyone that has a working knowledge of how affiliate marketing works and how ethical Internet business is conducted can quickly and easily determine that EN is a ponzi and a pyramid. If not completely illegal, they are sitting right on the border.

  227. Gretchen Miller says:

    I never could get anyone to explain to me what the PRODUCT is or a clear description on what exactly the company makes money off of. Seems to me they are taking honest hardworking money from people. Because I have yet to see anyone post the description of this business and the product!!!!

    • Kyle says:

      To be honest with you, most of them haven’t a clue as to what they are doing. They are selling you on the idea that what they are doing works, but it only works if you pay them money (and then it really works). I have never gotten more uneducated responses from an audience than the folks have been spewing out and it is quite evident their momentum is based on “this is the best, rah rah rah” and not them really learning how to build business.

      And it is not different than any other ponzi out there, I have posted the definition several times now and I have yet to see a calculated refute to that very definition.

  228. Dee says:

    Many thanks for the very informative post, Kyle. They are advertising on Facebook and I thought I’d check it out, although already quite aware that if it sounds too good to be, it almost invariably IS!

  229. Restless in Rancho says:

    Kyle,

    I like the way you pointed out some “common sense” facts about internet blogging and marketing. Well, at least common sense to those who are familiar with these concepts.

    You see I’ve blog before. On the free sites. Even blog a 365 project everyday for an entire year. I also sell actual “products” online through various online markets and learned to use my blog to advertise these products. depending on the time of year or what I sell, I do quite well. Not a millionaire. But I’m happy and can pay bills. I also have a clean conscience and love giving customer support and keeping my buyers happy.

    But I’m not going to lie. I tried this EN BS for one month. I had a reliable source convince me that it was a great opportunity. I trusted this source, so..I did it. What a load of crap.

    The people promoting EN have no clue what they are selling, which is nothing. “EVERYTHING” you learn from just the $25 buy-in can be found anywhere on the internet for free. You just have to look for it.

    It’s really hard to explain my experience for that month. If you’ve ever seen the movie “Idiocracy” where they talk about electrolytes and it’s what plants crave….it’s kinda like that. They are so brain washed and don’t even realize it themselves.

    I even joined an EN FB group for support. People just kept posting videos of themselves and making no sense.

    I realize these are hard times, but this is not the way to do it. By the time most of these people figure it out, they will be out months worth of money and NOTHING to show for it.

    Oh yeah. And for the guy who mentioned that one Dave lives in Costa Rica and another one lives in Florida. That’s most likely due to resident laws for America citizens. You just can’t go and move to Costa Rica and live, you have to establish resident citizenship ( which requires back and forth to the states). Learned that from family moving to Costa Rica.

    I realize and even En members pointed out your underlying promotion of your products,(which I will look at). What I say to that…

    Well…… a little healthy competition just makes you would harder for what you believe in.

    Thanks again, Deb

    • Kyle says:

      Hey Deb,

      It sounds like you grasp the process of “earning money” online the ethical way. It does not involved a tiered downline and it does not involve pressuring people into buying stuff so you can earn more money. I condone you for this and I think that it is folks like you that make the Internet a quality place. I have been in the same line of business as you for some time, ethical marketing and building a business through a customer/product relationship without the requirement for ponzi like constructs.

      Unfortunately, not everyone falls into this category and there are MANY people out there doing things that are not only unethical, but illegal in nature. I am glad that you realized what EN was before you started in their concentration camp that harbours motivation, but does not offer any real substance. It has gotten to the point where EN members don’t even know what they are doing and if you ask them, they fail to be able to explain they just say “don’t hate me because I am making money”.

      The blog that people are paying for is sold on the premise that it has a high Alexa ranking. Anyone with half a brain in the SEO world knows that Alexa means squat, it is an arbitrary traffic number pulled out of thin air (actually it is based on people’s activity that have the alexa toolbar installed). It has nothing to do with rankings and it is no indicator of success just because you can use an extension of this domain. It is in fact a detrement to your business using this EN.com domain and this is for several reasons.

      (1) Google has recently flagged this entire domain as spam. EN.com is not even ranked under their own search terms any longer. That should set off some serious alarms.

      (2) Other people’s content can adversely affect yours. It happens and it is HAPPENING.

      (3) You don’t own any of the content you create. Many people have come to me in regards to this as EN will not remove your content after you quit. Some folks have even gone as far as contacting lawyers in this regard to get their content taken down.

      (4) Superior websites are available and are FREE. Yes, you can get better for free. Just don’t tell this to the folks at EN because they would rather sell you something that should be free, so they can put money in their pocket.

      So that gets the website aspect out of the way…

      Then you stated:

      People just kept posting videos of themselves and making no sense.

      That is a fundamental problem. When you put a bunch of people in a room that all make no sense, guess what their conversation leads to. Motivational speaking…because there is no room for a common sense discussion about the actual business model. Money is the only focus. Success is the only focus. And this is done at any cost, including shaming others into joining and promoting just to get someone into your downline.

      And yes, I agree it is hard times out there for many folks. I would never argue that and I would never discourage someone creating an ethical stream of income or trying out new things. I also don’t discredit those who have been part of EN or are currently part of in. I do hold out hope they will find their way one day as I know the opportunity that lies out there. An opportunity that I have innate knowledge of and have been helping people uncover for the last 10 years.

      But I digress before I get all sappy on you…lol. I do appreciate your feedback Deb and if you do get a chance, check out WA…I know I promote it, own it…yes, but that is because I believe in it and I know nothing can come close to offering what we offer out there. Try out even the starter membership (no pressure to upgrade) and I think you will love it. I would also love to help you scale your existing business, it sounds like you are on the right track.

      All the best Deb!

  230. Santosh. N says:

    Hi, one of my previous MLM company leaders invited me to attend tomorrow the launching ceremony in a hotel of EN in Dubai U.A.E.
    Despite knowing the fact that all MLM companies will be banned in U.A.E after 90 days expect those are registered with DSA office in U.A.E but there is no DSA office in U.A.E so for.
    The legitimate companies like, FLP, DXN and PMI are worried about that and struggling to bring the DSA office in U.A.E.
    I don’t think EN could be registered with DSA in USA.

    • Kyle says:

      Check it out if you like, but really question them on the business model. I can assure you that it is all going to be about money and mindset, not the actual product you are promoting. And yeah, there is absolutely no way this would ever be declared a legit MLM as there is no underlying product that people are selling, they are selling the next level of people into the idea of the ponzi and they are required for a stream of downline and them to BUY in order to keep the cycle of insanity going.

      • Angelo Makrynakis says:

        Does this kind of stuff go the same as network marketing? Companies such as Amway, Avon etc. Are they a little more legitimate or is it the same kind of bs?

        • Kyle says:

          Network marketing is absolutely legitimate, there are many companies out there that are built of ethics and creating a quality product that actually helps people succeed online. The difference between companies like Amyway, Avon and Mary K is that they all have products that you are selling to outside customers. These are people that do not have to be involved within the actual system.

          With Empower Network you have to be involved in the system to buy the products and the products are what drive your revenue. So you build your downline and hope that folks buy more products, if they don’t, it is commonplace to shame them or motivate them to buy the products.

          There are ethical network marketing programs out there, unfortunately EN is not one of these because of the nature of the business heirarchy and the requirement to be part of the program to buy the products.